Climate Change - The Scientific Debate

[Moonhawk]

dickymint said:

Today was the highest July temperature on record!!

How far back do those 'records' go? Looking at the station data on the met office website - most only seem to have data going back to the 1950-1960s.

We know the climate can undergo large variations over time periods of hundreds or thousands of years - so how significant is "the hottest July day on record" when those records only go back 60 odd years?

Also - as the dickymint above alludes to - how reliable is a comparison between past temperatures and temperatures taken today - especially if today's temperatures are taken in or close to a modern urban heat island. Surely that effect has to be factored out.

Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 3rd July 08:11

[XM5ER]

Benbay001 said:

XM5ER said:

Because how would you measure it if you cant define what it is?

Well i cannot think of a potential energy that could change into thermal energy without having an effect of temperature.
Which is why i didnt define one.

Sorry, missed this.

Potential energy of what? Apples on trees?

What kind of thermal energy, kinetic energy of gas molecules in the atmosphere or infrared radiation?

Is this the kind of thing that you are trying to understand?
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/what-is...

Edited by XM5ER on Monday 6th July 17:50

[Jinx]

Moonhawk said:

How far back do those 'records' go? Looking at the station data on the met office website - most only seem to have data going back to the 1950-1960s.

We know the climate can undergo large variations over time periods of hundreds or thousands of years - so how significant is "the hottest July day on record" when those records only go back 60 odd years?

Also - as the dickymint above alludes to - how reliable is a comparison between past temperatures and temperatures taken today - especially if today's temperatures are taken in or close to a modern urban heat island. Surely that effect has to be factored out.

Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 3rd July 08:11

For the record the unit that declared top temp in July ever has long distinguished history stretching back maybe 2 years. July temperatures on blacktop behind aeroplane engines is a standard climate change measure and says all you need to know about the quality of climate "science"

[rovermorris999]

NASA have found it! Honest!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-315...

[dickymint]

rovermorris999 said:

NASA have found it! Honest!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-315...

Well could they please put it back.....

[mybrainhurts]

rovermorris999 said:

NASA have found it! Honest!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-315...

Fantastic...fried fish, straight from the sea.

Deep joy...

[Halb]

robinessex said:

So how do they explain this:-

Is that accurate?

[robinessex]

Halb said:

robinessex said:

So how do they explain this:-

Is that accurate?

Tinye the picture. See where else it is should track down its source

[Mr2Mike]

Looks like Harris-Mann may be the source.

[Moonhawk]

Halb said:

robinessex said:

So how do they explain this:-

Is that accurate?

It's kinda irrelevant.

Now the name has been changed from "global warming" to "climate change" - even a drop in global temperatures will no doubt be blamed on man's activities.

[LongQ]

If this idea is correct it may be that they have "found" Trenberth's missing heat.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/19/plankton_b...


It is indeed in the ocean - or rather it would be but for plankton.


Personally, based on the recent reports of overly hot "Eco homes" during marginally warm weather, I suspect it is actually trapped sequestered just above ground in human structures.

[rovermorris999]

LongQ said:

If this idea is correct it may be that they have "found" Trenberth's missing heat.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/19/plankton_b...


It is indeed in the ocean - or rather it would be but for plankton.


Personally, based on the recent reports of overly hot "Eco homes" during marginally warm weather, I suspect it is actually trapped sequestered just above ground in human structures.

It's a good job those folks over at the IPCC know it all and the science is settled.

[dickymint]

LongQ said:

If this idea is correct it may be that they have "found" Trenberth's missing heat.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/19/plankton_b...


It is indeed in the ocean - or rather it would be but for plankton.


Personally, based on the recent reports of overly hot "Eco homes" during marginally warm weather, I suspect it is actually trapped sequestered just above ground in human structures.

[plunker]

LongQ said:

If this idea is correct it may be that they have "found" Trenberth's missing heat.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/19/plankton_b...


It is indeed in the ocean - or rather it would be but for plankton.


Personally, based on the recent reports of overly hot "Eco homes" during marginally warm weather, I suspect it is actually trapped sequestered just above ground in human structures.

The heat is currently in plain sight in the surface data:



HTH

[jshell]

Turns out that there are some very clever Polar bears living on ice that doesn't oficially exist: http://polarbearscience.com/2014/07/31/up-to-20-of...

[rovermorris999]

There's that settled science again!

[Jinx]

plunker said:

The heat is currently in plain sight in the surface data:



HTH

Jesus plunks - 1951-1980 base period ffs. Also which "surface" data set is this (the new one with the overcooked ocean temps from buckets)?

[mondeoman]

Its coming.....
http://robertscribbler.com/2014/03/25/monster-el-n...

[IainT]

mondeoman said:

Its coming.....
http://robertscribbler.com/2014/03/25/monster-el-n...

That article belongs in the politics thread not science...

fanfic article said:

What this means is that we may well be staring down the throat of a global warming riled monster.

Quality use of scientific language there. Impressed by the citing of accurately measured 'kelvin waves' going back long enough to be statistically useful.

fanfic article said:

A vast stretch of explosive heat that had been held in check from an equatorial surge only by the strongest trade winds on record.

Wow, so it's not water then. What liquid explodes at 29-30C?

[LongQ]

IainT said:

mondeoman said:

Its coming.....
http://robertscribbler.com/2014/03/25/monster-el-n...

That article belongs in the politics thread not science...

fanfic article said:

What this means is that we may well be staring down the throat of a global warming riled monster.

Quality use of scientific language there. Impressed by the citing of accurately measured 'kelvin waves' going back long enough to be statistically useful.

fanfic article said:

A vast stretch of explosive heat that had been held in check from an equatorial surge only by the strongest trade winds on record.

Wow, so it's not water then. What liquid explodes at 29-30C?

It's not even politics.

More like the anthropomorphizing of Gaia into a story that a generation of Potter loving reality loathers can relate to in some way.

Gaia has become aroused and is about to shaft the pesky humans, barbequing them in their home grown summers.

Actually, looking out of the window, whatever happened to the promised hot summer this year?