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turbobloke

62,878 posts

147 months

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Diderot

2,893 posts

79 months

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Indeed. So that's that problem solved. Rather conveniently. smile

Busa_Rush

5,212 posts

138 months

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turbobloke said:
"But researchers have been unable to accurately predict if or when the pool with move southwards."

So another what if scenario then . . . pointless media pandering to get their names in the press.

thinfourth2

30,603 posts

91 months

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Diderot said:
Strange how climate change always makes hot countries hotter and cold countries colder.

nelly1

5,239 posts

118 months

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Not At All Sensationalist Article said:
One theory is that the circulation could slow down dramatically within two decades sending average temperatures plummeting.

The possibility echoes the plot of the 2004 disaster movie The Day After Tomorrow, which depicted the catastrophic effects on world climates when the delicate balance maintained by ocean circulation is suddenly lost.
rolleyes
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turbobloke

62,878 posts

147 months

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The latest NOAA ENSO advisory arrived this afternoon. For those interested:


During April 2011, La Niña continued to weaken as indicated by increasing surface and subsurface temperature anomalies across the equatorial Pacific Ocean. The latest weekly Niño indices reflected below-average sea surface temperatures (SSTs) in the central and east-central Pacific (–0.6°C in Nino-4 and Nino-3.4 regions), and near-average to above-average SSTs in the eastern Pacific (–0.1°C in Nino-3 and +0.8°C in Nino-1+2 regions. The subsurface oceanic heat content anomalies (average temperatures in the upper 300m of the ocean) increased slightly, due to an expanded area of above-average temperatures at thermocline depth. Consistent with other transitions to ENSO-neutral conditions, the atmospheric circulation anomalies related to La Niña remained considerable over the tropical and subtropical Pacific. Convection was enhanced over much of Indonesia and suppressed over the western and central equatorial Pacific. Also, anomalous low-level easterly and upper-level westerly winds have persisted in this region. Collectively, these oceanic and atmospheric anomalies reflect a weakening La Niña, but with ongoing global impacts. Current observed trends, along with forecasts from nearly all of the ENSO models, indicate La Niña will continue to weaken in the coming months, with a return to ENSO-neutral during May-June-July 2011

ExChrispy Porker

12,265 posts

115 months

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Thursday 5th May 2011 quote quote all
Saturday morning will be fine and dry then?

turbobloke

62,878 posts

147 months

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Thursday 5th May 2011 quote quote all
ExChrispy Porker said:
Saturday morning will be fine and dry then?
Every Saturday for the foreseeable future, finer and dryer wink if you feel the faith of the new religion nuts

Which I would guess you don't but correct that if wrong.

Otherwise the scientific appraisal of ENSO relates more to possible impact on global measures e.g. awaiting May release of April's data here and beyond April into the summer.


odyssey2200

18,650 posts

96 months

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I just noticed that there is far more on the Political thread than on this science thread.

Now what could that tell us?
scratchchin

Dangerous2

11,327 posts

79 months

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my simple analysis suggests that the political debate is an older thread than the scientific thread.

ExChrispy Porker

12,265 posts

115 months

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turbobloke said:
Every Saturday for the foreseeable future, finer and dryer wink if you feel the faith of the new religion nuts

Which I would guess you don't but correct that if wrong.

Otherwise the scientific appraisal of ENSO relates more to possible impact on global measures e.g. awaiting May release of April's data here and beyond April into the summer.
Frankly I don't know what to believe.
Then again, I don't suppose my opinion matters.
FWIW though I think pollution is probably a bad idea. smile

chris watton

16,009 posts

147 months

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ExChrispy Porker said:
Frankly I don't know what to believe.
Then again, I don't suppose my opinion matters.
FWIW though I think pollution is probably a bad idea. smile
This is why I hate loony tunes environmentalists so much – if you don’t ‘believe’ in MMGW/CC – you are automatically pigeon holed as anti all environment. I do not believe any of the fake proof for MMGW/CC – and the more desperate they become with their shrill predictions and put downs of anyone who questions them, the more flaky their arguments become.
I DO care about the environment, in fact, we are seemingly the only family on our street that actually pays the extra £40 per year on top of our extortionate council tax for the council to empty our recycle bin – yes – you have pay more to be ‘Green’, despite being told that if we don’t curb our greedy capitalist ways, the Earth will die – if you pay extra though, it will be saved……
This seems to be the case and the underlying reason for indoctrination – making other people richer – which is kind of ironic when you consider just how many of the environmentalist orks pretend to hate greed and capitalism.

turbobloke

62,878 posts

147 months

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Saturday 7th May 2011 quote quote all
chris watton said:
ExChrispy Porker said:
Frankly I don't know what to believe.
Then again, I don't suppose my opinion matters.
FWIW though I think pollution is probably a bad idea. smile
This is why I hate loony tunes environmentalists so much – if you don’t ‘believe’ in MMGW/CC – you are automatically pigeon holed as anti all environment. I do not believe any of the fake proof for MMGW/CC – and the more desperate they become with their shrill predictions and put downs of anyone who questions them, the more flaky their arguments become.
I DO care about the environment, in fact, we are seemingly the only family on our street that actually pays the extra £40 per year on top of our extortionate council tax for the council to empty our recycle bin – yes – you have pay more to be ‘Green’, despite being told that if we don’t curb our greedy capitalist ways, the Earth will die – if you pay extra though, it will be saved……
This seems to be the case and the underlying reason for indoctrination – making other people richer – which is kind of ironic when you consider just how many of the environmentalist orks pretend to hate greed and capitalism.
Indeed.

Also carbon dioxide is an essential naturally occurring trace atmospheric gas where there is no credible evidence of doing harm in past present or future levels so not pollution in absolute terms, though politicians who have swalloiwed the AGW information pollution junkscience, particularly over the pond may conspire to disagree and get their agents to generate nonsensical policy as a result.

Pollution bad - so get old buses with large diesel engines off the road and old diesel engined trains off the tracks. Large diesel engines under load produce the two most genotoxic carcinogens known to science in 3-NBA and 1,8-DNP.

Then for good measure, just taste that yummy NOx and particulates cocktail, mmmmm.

The Excession

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9,726 posts

137 months

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Now if only we could hook up all this pedaling to some king of generator perhaps all our energy needs could be met...

AMAP said:
Ice in Greenland and the rest of the Arctic is melting dramatically faster than was earlier projected and could raise global sea levels by as much as 1.6 metres by 2100, says a new study.

The study released on Tuesday by the Arctic Monitoring and Assessment Program (AMAP) said there is a "need for greater urgency" in fighting global warming as record temperatures have led to the increased rate of melting.

The AMAP report said the correspondending rise in water levels will directly threaten low-lying coastal areas such as Florida and Bangladesh, but would also affect islands and cities from London to Shanghai. The report says it will also increase the cost of rebuilding tsunami barriers in Japan.

"The past six years (until 2010) have been the warmest period ever recorded in the Arctic," said the report.

"In the future, global sea level is projected to rise by 0.9 metres to 1.6 metres by 2100 and the loss of ice from Arctic glaciers, ice caps and the Greenland ice sheet will make a substantial contribution," it added.

The rises had been projected from levels recorded in 1990.
Time to buy a lot of land on Greenland? Might be a good investment for the grand children...

scratchchin

linky

VPower

3,503 posts

81 months

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turbobloke said:
Indeed.

Also carbon dioxide is an essential naturally occurring trace atmospheric gas where there is no credible evidence of doing harm in past present or future levels so not pollution in absolute terms, though politicians who have swalloiwed the AGW information pollution junkscience, particularly over the pond may conspire to disagree and get their agents to generate nonsensical policy as a result.

Pollution bad - so get old buses with large diesel engines off the road and old diesel engined trains off the tracks. Large diesel engines under load produce the two most genotoxic carcinogens known to science in 3-NBA and 1,8-DNP.

Then for good measure, just taste that yummy NOx and particulates cocktail, mmmmm.
TB can I ask you a question about diesel fumes please?
I have noticed when following modern diesel cars, an almost bleach like smell that sort of makes my lungs complain.
I have to drop back and shut of the air vent.
I believe that they inject another chemical into the diesel combustion, any info on what this is and if it is harmful?

turbobloke

62,878 posts

147 months

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Saturday 7th May 2011 quote quote all
VPower said:
turbobloke said:
Indeed.

Also carbon dioxide is an essential naturally occurring trace atmospheric gas where there is no credible evidence of doing harm in past present or future levels so not pollution in absolute terms, though politicians who have swalloiwed the AGW information pollution junkscience, particularly over the pond may conspire to disagree and get their agents to generate nonsensical policy as a result.

Pollution bad - so get old buses with large diesel engines off the road and old diesel engined trains off the tracks. Large diesel engines under load produce the two most genotoxic carcinogens known to science in 3-NBA and 1,8-DNP.

Then for good measure, just taste that yummy NOx and particulates cocktail, mmmmm.
TB can I ask you a question about diesel fumes please?
I have noticed when following modern diesel cars, an almost bleach like smell that sort of makes my lungs complain.
I have to drop back and shut of the air vent.
I believe that they inject another chemical into the diesel combustion, any info on what this is and if it is harmful?
Sounds to me like you're getting a nose, mouth and lungful of nitrogen dioxide, one of the NOx family. A diesel speciality. It's disgusting. Just walking along Oxford St in London has the same effect every few metres as the buses crawl along, almost empty at that.

Dangerous2

11,327 posts

79 months

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diesel cars should only be run in a fume hood.

turbobloke

62,878 posts

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hehe

VPower

3,503 posts

81 months

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Saturday 7th May 2011 quote quote all
turbobloke said:
Sounds to me like you're getting a nose, mouth and lungful of nitrogen dioxide, one of the NOx family. A diesel speciality. It's disgusting. Just walking along Oxford St in London has the same effect every few metres as the buses crawl along, almost empty at that.
Thanks, I'll just have to overtake them!! smile

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

96 months

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Dangerous2 said:
my simple analysis suggests that the political debate is an older thread than the scientific thread.
or that it is more of a politically motivated issue than a scientifically proven one?
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