Using a vacuum pump to change the oil.

[mybrainhurts]

Robert Elise said:

i suspected this problem from the specs others reported of the Lidl unit. better pumps (£25) extract 5L in a few minutes.

As already mentioned, my Lidl sucker moved 5.25 litres yesterday, faster than my Pela does.

The extraction tube is more flexible than the Pela one, but it's the same diameter and I found it easier to insert.

[andy-xr]

I got mine from the local Motor Factors, £30 6litre capacity. hand pump, it's done everything with no probs. Oil changes take about 15 minutes depending on whether I need to screwdriver the filter but it's handy for loads of other stuff, like that time the Mrs thought antifreeze stopped the washer fluid from freezing

[J4CKO]

AdeTuono said:

J4CKO said:

mybrainhurts said:

AdeTuono said:

Measure residual oil that just can't be removed using a pump.



Looks like a recipe for ruining an engine. Thank God I removed the plug...

So, verdict (as if we didn't already know. I mean, if it's OK for marine engines....)

Can't see a problem, really. Carry on...

And what of those here who did the same thing and found no oil remaining?

Your test isn't conclusive on the following grounds..

(1) We don't know if you inserted the tube far enough. Did you measure it against the dipstick?

(2) If it doesn't work with that car, it doesn't mean it's ineffective with all cars.

Cant believe nobody mentioned the Moose !

Don't mention the moose! Bit of a bone of contention between me and Mrs. Tuono. Recently moved house, and it seems Marvin is no longer welcome indoors. Something to do with fleas or something....

Women ! don't know class when they see it

I don't know why it would have fleas ? don't think fleas live on dead things.

[Rincewind209]

My electric pump worked fine and it was probably identical to the Lidle ones, I got mine from Amazon. I've seen a few since I got mine and they all look alike just different colours and packaging. I've tried mine on a Peugeot , a Merc and a VW and all were fine, approx 5-10 mins to empty apart from the Merc which is double the oil capacity. My Sealey vacuum pump is a bit quicker but cost twice as much. As long as the oil is hot and the tube is all the way to the bottom there wasn't a problem.

[Cliftonite]

andy-xr said:

I got mine from the local Motor Factors, £30 6litre capacity. hand pump, it's done everything with no probs. Oil changes take about 15 minutes depending on whether I need to screwdriver the filter but it's handy for loads of other stuff, like that time the Mrs thought antifreeze stopped the washer fluid from freezing

But it does!

[djt100]

Any recomendations as there what / where to buy from. Going to get a pump pela seems good but look to be £50 wherever i look? so any first hand recomendations

[mybrainhurts]

Pela = good...

Do a google search. I found lots of negative information on some brands when I was looking for one.

[rongagin]

I got my Pela from a boat chandlers on-line, they were the cheapest I could find and as a bonus if you signed up for newsletters you got a '£10 off first order' discount.

Sadly can't remember who they are as I don't have a boat ;-)

[Drive Blind]

djt100 said:

Any recomendations as there what / where to buy from. Going to get a pump pela seems good but look to be £50 wherever i look? so any first hand recomendations

I've had my Pela 6000 for 4 years now. I think I got it from this link below. Was definitely a boat place,

http://marinestore.co.uk/Pela_6000_Spherical_Oil_E...

[andy-xr]

Cliftonite said:

andy-xr said:

I got mine from the local Motor Factors, £30 6litre capacity. hand pump, it's done everything with no probs. Oil changes take about 15 minutes depending on whether I need to screwdriver the filter but it's handy for loads of other stuff, like that time the Mrs thought antifreeze stopped the washer fluid from freezing

But it does!

In the same way that putting oil on the brake discs stops them rusting and/or wearing out

[Cliftonite]

andy-xr said:

In the same way that putting oil on the brake discs stops them rusting and/or wearing out

Can't argue with that, either.

[Skyedriver]

Any update on the best suck it out options?
The threads in the alloy sump are not the best and I'd rather not remove the sump plug again if I can avoid it. Been re-cut once and will probably need helicoiling. It's a rare sump not readily available any more and the alloy material, 30 year old, is not the strongest.
Thanks

[motco]

Skyedriver said:

Any update on the best suck it out options?
The threads in the alloy sump are not the best and I'd rather not remove the sump plug again if I can avoid it. Been re-cut once and will probably need helicoiling. It's a rare sump not readily available any more and the alloy material, 30 year old, is not the strongest.
Thanks

Critics say that it's impossible to suck out all the old oil, but I suggest that draining is not always complete either, and the gross dilution of the remnant old oil by the flood of new renders the harmful nature (if any) insignificant. Better to suck it out than not change it at all, as many choose to do. If in doubt use a flushing oil as an intermediate step.

[B'stard Child]

Skyedriver said:

Any update on the best suck it out options?
The threads in the alloy sump are not the best and I'd rather not remove the sump plug again if I can avoid it. Been re-cut once and will probably need helicoiling. It's a rare sump not readily available any more and the alloy material, 30 year old, is not the strongest.
Thanks

My only suggestion is get one large enough to cope with the volume of oil in one hit

My oil capacity in one of the cars is 6 Litres so I got this one as it copes with up to 6.5 L

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-Manual-Vacuum-Flui...

Mine was purchased in 2013

It gets at least 6 - 8 times a year

It's evacuated marine engine sumps, lawn mowers, petrol jet wash engines, car engines , gearboxes and diffs, motorcycle engines and believe it or not central heating pipework when I needed to solder up a new joint.

I'd say that it comes third behind a good quality angle grinder and my Portamig welder as the most useful thing I've ever bought tool wise

Edited by B'stard Child on Tuesday 4th June 12:15

[Harji]

I have used one and it took everything out, borne by the fact that I used the exact amount of oil as perscribed in the manual to replensih it. All I did was drive it a bit to warm the oil up and it came out very easily and quickly.

[peterperkins]

Very handy bits of kit.

The engine on the car i have just bought had been overfilled by the previous owner to the tune of 2.4L over max on dipstick!!
It's covered with undertrays and I don't have any ramps etc.

In with the oil sucker and 5 minutes later we are back to the normal mark and sanity is restored.

[Speed addicted]

B'stard Child said:

Skyedriver said:

Any update on the best suck it out options?
The threads in the alloy sump are not the best and I'd rather not remove the sump plug again if I can avoid it. Been re-cut once and will probably need helicoiling. It's a rare sump not readily available any more and the alloy material, 30 year old, is not the strongest.
Thanks

My only suggestion is get one large enough to cope with the volume of oil in one hit

My oil capacity in one of the cars is 6 Litres so I got this one as it copes with up to 6.5 L

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-Manual-Vacuum-Flui...

Mine was purchased in 2013

It gets at least 6 - 8 times a year

It's evacuated marine engine sumps, lawn mowers, petrol jet wash engines, car engines , gearboxes and diffs, motorcycle engines and believe it or not central heating pipework when I needed to solder up a new joint.

I'd say that it comes third behind a good quality angle grinder and my Portamig welder as the most useful thing I've ever bought tool wise

When you say you've emptied motorbike engines using it, can I ask how? The ones I have typically place the filler above the clutch so you can't get a tube in there!

[B'stard Child]

Speed addicted said:

When you say you've emptied motorbike engines using it, can I ask how? The ones I have typically place the filler above the clutch so you can't get a tube in there!

It’s coped very nicely with all the old chod I run - K1200RS, GPz1000RX, GPz600R and YPVS

The small bore pipe bends very nicely round obstacles and it even drained a diif (what stupid idea designing a diff with a filler plug but no drain)

[colin_p]

I've had and used a Pela 6000 since the early 00's great bit of kit.

But about three years ago I bought one of these;
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-TP6903-Operated-Va...

As I have an air compressor it would have been rude not to. By the time I have changed the filter holder 'o' rings and got the replacement cartridge filter ready the extractor has done its bit. All that is left is to pull the remaining oil out of the oil cooler.

As for oil remaining in the engine, that is always going to happen but in the case of say the VAG 1.9 PD TDI (or any other engine with a vertical oil filter and oil cooler arrangement) you can always get more oil out than via a gravity drain from the sump plug. The oil that sits in the cooler can be vac'd out where as with a gravity drain it just sites there. On the 1.9 PD TDI it is about 200ml of oil.

In early days when I first got the Pela I was also skeptical and took the sump plug out also to confirm what may have been missed and it was negligible.

Edited by colin_p on Tuesday 4th June 13:51

[Mark-C]

Rickyy said:

I believe one PH'er lost a bit of tubing down the dipstick sleeve doing this. So be careful!

I am clearly very very late to this thread but this is my favourite euphemism ever!