Engine Cranes - talk to me

Engine Cranes - talk to me

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Smitters

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4,003 posts

157 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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So, I have the choice of paying a garage to remove and re-install my engine, or knuckling down and doing it myself, which is the far preferable option. Thus I need an engine crane.

Are there any recommendations? Any features that are a must-have, or really useful and worth paying for?

It'll be a one man job, so the kit to lift heavy stuff is useful!

Car is a Caterham 7 with a k-series, if that influences anything in terms of reach and lift.

Many thanks.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

198 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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I used the standard Sealy folding one you get from machine mart or wherever. That's taken the engines out of 3 cars, in and out of the dax several times. You'll need a couple of slings and some rope as well.

Oh, and remember that engine crane = device for testing the tensile strength of the hoses and ancilliaries which you forgot to disconnect.... wink

feef

5,206 posts

183 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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I acquired a Sealey hoist with the folding legs. It's also worth getting an engine stand if you're going to be doing any work ON the engine once it's out, if nothing else, it's more compact than the hoist so takes up less space while 'storing' the engine.

Smitters

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4,003 posts

157 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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I assume it's worth getting a 1000kg crane, not so much for the sheer DIY overkill on a 100kg engine, but because I can then extend the arm fully with engine and gearbox in place to pop the lot in from the front of the car (not being blessed with a wide garage...).

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

198 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Smitters said:
I assume it's worth getting a 1000kg crane, not so much for the sheer DIY overkill on a 100kg engine, but because I can then extend the arm fully with engine and gearbox in place to pop the lot in from the front of the car (not being blessed with a wide garage...).
Yeah, extension is the biggest useful feature I'd say.
FWIW, my sealy lifted my lathe at full extension, which should be limited to 250kg. I later found out that the lathe weighed just a smidge under 1000Kg...but it didn't seem to bother it.

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

178 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Get a load leveler as well, if you are flying solo it makes things considerably easier.

normalbloke

7,450 posts

219 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Jimmyarm said:
Get a load leveler as well, if you are flying solo it makes things considerably easier.
Having done the Caterham engine removal dance several times, I'd suggest a leveller was essential. You'll also benefit from another pair of hands, especially when re-installing, as the tail of the gearbox will benefit from being guideed into place from underneath. Good luck.

Krikkit

26,527 posts

181 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Would echo all of the above - I have the folding Sealey unit with a load leveller and it's very good for the price.

Boosted LS1

21,185 posts

260 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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With a car like yours and a light weight engine then I'd buy something simple and cheap from machine mart. You won't need a lot of extension on the beam so buy basic. It'll still be cheaper then using a garage.

tr7v8

7,192 posts

228 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Mines a Machine Mart one, been borrowed to do various engines, including a Caterham K build. Use seat belt instead of chains, it's softer & easier to work with. Can be cut out of old cars in scrappies.
A load leveler would be useful, although I've never used one over 40 years or so.

MKnight702

3,109 posts

214 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Another vote for old seatbelts as lifting straps here, You can get them free (or I did) from the scrappy,

finishing touch

809 posts

167 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Last spring I bought a 2 tonne lift (for the reach) to remove my Lotus engine from my seven.
The purpose was to replace the concentric clutch unit.

I placed ramps under the front wheels as I only have 100mm of ground clearance and the base of the
crane was greater than that.

I bought 2m of chain and cut this into four and bolted these to the engine. By hooking into convenient links
this gave all the adjustment I needed. My engine lays over at 45 deg so not the easiest to judge the point of balance
as it's not just front to back but side to side also.


HTH
Paul G

Petrolhead_Rich

4,659 posts

192 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Another option would be to install a beam in your garage and use a hoist, often comparable price wise, slightly more effort to put in, but takes up much less garage space than any folding engine hoist I've ever seen!

Of course, if you have a garage with a decent joist then you could just use the existing ones!

By decent I mean something like this, anything less isn't safe! Remember that if you overload the roof truss, you potentially pull the building down ontop of you!





tapkaJohnD

1,941 posts

204 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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I agree, Rich, in fact I had an RSJ put in my garage, just in case I wanted to de-engine a tank!
John

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

178 months

Sunday 2nd October 2016
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Petrolhead_Rich said:
Another option would be to install a beam in your garage and use a hoist, often comparable price wise, slightly more effort to put in, but takes up much less garage space than any folding engine hoist I've ever seen!

Of course, if you have a garage with a decent joist then you could just use the existing ones!

By decent I mean something like this, anything less isn't safe! Remember that if you overload the roof truss, you potentially pull the building down ontop of you!
Bit difficult to move the garage around to line the engine/box combo up though...

An engine crane is a much better idea tbh

Jimmyarm

1,962 posts

178 months

Sunday 2nd October 2016
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tr7v8 said:
Mines a Machine Mart one, been borrowed to do various engines, including a Caterham K build. Use seat belt instead of chains, it's softer & easier to work with. Can be cut out of old cars in scrappies.
A load leveler would be useful, although I've never used one over 40 years or so.
Get a load leveller, they make it MUCH easier !

Toaster Pilot

14,619 posts

158 months

Sunday 2nd October 2016
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SGS do a decent range at very favourable prices

normalbloke

7,450 posts

219 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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Toaster Pilot said:
SGS do a decent range at very favourable prices
Until something goes wrong, they have a pretty lousy caustomer service reputation.

Toaster Pilot

14,619 posts

158 months

Monday 3rd October 2016
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normalbloke said:
Until something goes wrong, they have a pretty lousy caustomer service reputation.
Not that high up most people's priorities for a cheap engine crane - their stuff is better than the vast majority in the same price range

Costs about the same as hiring one for a week for their 1t one

Edited by Toaster Pilot on Tuesday 4th October 11:26

Smitters

Original Poster:

4,003 posts

157 months

Tuesday 4th October 2016
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Cracking info - many thanks. Joists a no go I think - for one thing I'd rather roll a crane back than the car if removing the engine and box together, for another, they're not going to take the weight...

I'll have to check the leg width too - be annoying to foul the chassis stands and not be able to get in and out.

Duly noted on a leveller. I think that (plus the spare hands) would be essential for reinstalling engine plus gearbox. Not sure at this stage if I should split them in the car, or take them out as one and split on the bench as AFAIK the box is fine, it's just the clutch fork and CRB that need attention.