Do you use a torque wrench or go by feel?

Do you use a torque wrench or go by feel?

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bungz

1,960 posts

121 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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Having snapped a M10 bolt off in a timing cover before now I use a torque wrench for anything a bit sensitive like that.

Most stuff is done by feel however, anything that needs a high torque rating just gets a bloody big bar on it biggrin

Allan L

783 posts

106 months

Friday 2nd July 2021
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There's an obvious gap between theory and practice when dealing with old machinery, which is that the manufacturer didn't list torque settings. That would originally be because he was waiting for someone to invent the concept, but when they had done he would doubtless include the values in the mechanics' training courses.
We were taught that the reason spanners have lengths that are greater for larger jaw size was that it gave the greater torque for a similar pull as you progress in nut/bolt size. I mention this as it shows some appreciation of the differing torque needs of different sized threads.
For those who worry about wheelnuts I offer the Rudge-Whitworth nut which is done up (and undone) with a hammer.

donkmeister

8,195 posts

101 months

Sunday 4th July 2021
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Allan L said:
We were taught that the reason spanners have lengths that are greater for larger jaw size was that it gave the greater torque for a similar pull as you progress in nut/bolt size.
Makes sense - I like to think that engineers don't design things with the intent that someone will need to give themselves an embolism to tighten fastenings with a tool of sensible length, or risk shearing heads off because the procedure asks for a T25 bit on a 3m breaker bar to do up an M5 aluminium screw (seriously Mercedes. Aluminium screws?! Who even MAKES aluminium screws?!)

When I was young and couldn't afford frivolities like torque wrenches, I used to look at the Nm figure, look at the length of the tool I was using, work out roughly how many kg it should feel like I'm lifting when pulling up on it then use that as my torque setting. At the very least that would have put me in the right order of magnitude... Probably biggrin

On a few occasions I "calibrated" my arm first by lifting something of equivalent mass to remind myself how heavy it should feel.

A drawback is that the system only worked when pulling the bar towards me.

Das speck

555 posts

167 months

Sunday 4th July 2021
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I use torque wrench on anything with multiple fixings - cam cover, sump, driveshafts etc

It’s not just the tightness of the bolt that matters it’s also the clamping force being equally distributed around the object, then you’ve got to think about expansion when it gets hot.

Tbh in all my years of walking around garages I can’t remember seeing a torque wrench's in use or lying about on a bench or in tool trays.

Imo - If you put a cam cover on without a torque wrench expect it it to leak.


bmwmike

6,954 posts

109 months

Monday 5th July 2021
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I used a torque wrench if its spark plugs or a alu bolt somewhere awkward that a) i REALLY dont want to come lose and b) i REALLY don't want it to snap as it'll be awkward to drill out without taking the engine out etc.

That said, i've done plugs with a torque wrench in the past where it clicks and you think, hmm, seems loose, i'll nip em up another quarter turn by hand biggrin

SlimJim16v

5,669 posts

144 months

Monday 5th July 2021
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I usually just do engine and brakes. I've just had my front struts off and thought I'd use a torque wrench. Doing the strut to hub bolt felt too much to me, so just did everything bar the wheel nuts by hand.

Knowing how tight to do things up takes experience. That experience is gained the hard way, by stripping a few threads and snapping a few bolts.

rxe

6,700 posts

104 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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105.4 said:
Torque wrench always.

The manufacturers would state torque settings if they were not required. My three torque wrench’s are used almost as much as my ratchets or my sockets.
They state torque settings because a lot of people who tighten things up have no sensitivity to how tight a fastener is. I'll use a torque wrench when I'm building an engine, but that is about it. I've found that a lot of the manufacturer's figures for steel in aluminium are optimistic anyway.

AW111

9,674 posts

134 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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I have poor grip strength, so while I don't use a torque wrench for eg 6/8mm bolts into captive nuts, for bigger stuff I don't trust my feel, so prefer to check them with a torque wrench.

Or my mate the mechanic says '7 on the 1/2" rattle gun' and I do what he says. wink

Krikkit

26,535 posts

182 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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SlimJim16v said:
I usually just do engine and brakes. I've just had my front struts off and thought I'd use a torque wrench. Doing the strut to hub bolt felt too much to me, so just did everything bar the wheel nuts by hand.
So it's under-torqued then?