megasquirt tuners? low speed bucking?

megasquirt tuners? low speed bucking?

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steveo3002

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10,534 posts

175 months

Saturday 28th August 2021
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fitted a megasquirt to my old polo as a project

had it running all year , but still fighting a low speed violent bucking

where would you be looking to try and resolve it ?

ive tried a vast range of timing and afr in a block surrounding the problem area , tried ego off , a.e off , decell cut off turned off

Tye Green

657 posts

110 months

Saturday 28th August 2021
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do you have fuel cut on overrun enabled but set up poorly?

steveo3002

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175 months

Saturday 28th August 2021
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tried it on /off no change

GreenV8S

30,208 posts

285 months

Saturday 28th August 2021
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Maybe driven cycle-to-cycle variation under slow and high vacuum conditions. I've driven production cars that can shunt violently at very low rpm and I don't suppose there's a universal fix for it, but if that was me I'd try richening it up and dropping the timing advance to try to reduce the sensitivity to the state of the intake charge. It'll run hotter and use more fuel, but I doubt you'll care about that. If it works, be aware that might not help you get through an MOT and I'm sure you'll think of a way to deal with that.

steveo3002

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Saturday 28th August 2021
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how rich would you go...13.5 doesnt touch it , surley any richer is getting really rich

OldGermanHeaps

3,837 posts

179 months

Saturday 28th August 2021
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Did you use a factory port for measuring vacuum or make your own, you might be in a turbulent reigon of the manifold and getting a fluctuating reading.

steveo3002

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Saturday 28th August 2021
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stock tb position

GreenV8S

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Saturday 28th August 2021
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I'd go down to 12.5 and see whether it helps at all.

Are you running alpha-N or MAP?

steveo3002

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175 months

Sunday 29th August 2021
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maf for fueling map for ign

GreenV8S

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285 months

Sunday 29th August 2021
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Are you seeing any osscilation in either signal in the lead up to the shunting? I assume everything goes to pot afterwards.

steveo3002

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Sunday 29th August 2021
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log doesnt really reflect how it drives , fueling is a bit up n down , but nothing too erratic

GreenV8S

30,208 posts

285 months

Sunday 29th August 2021
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Mainly you're interested in how consistent the load signal is and whether the spark timing is consistent.

steveo3002

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Monday 30th August 2021
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maf load is constant ..flickers between 7-8

all i can see is the rpm suddenly flickers 2-2400 ish , afr becomes unstable

the "dot " on the afr and ign table remain fairly static and not leaping between massive number changes

OldGermanHeaps

3,837 posts

179 months

Monday 30th August 2021
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Tried doing the fuelling off the map, not the maf?

steveo3002

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Monday 30th August 2021
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OldGermanHeaps said:
Tried doing the fuelling off the map, not the maf?
yeah its something i could try...although its running well as is , apart from the bucking issue so id rather try and sort it out

GreenV8S

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285 months

Monday 30th August 2021
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steveo3002 said:
all i can see is the rpm suddenly flickers 2-2400 ish , afr becomes unstable
I assume the RPM change is just reflecting the shunting so all bets are off by that point. Can you see any unusual sensor inputs or spark/fuel outputs leading up to that? If you're getting cycle-to-cycle variation I'd expect that to be caused by charge robbing and EGR, and if your data logging is fast enough you'd see that on a wideband. The point of running rich and retarded is trying to reduce the engine's sensitivity to that. But if you aren't seeing any fluctuating load signal or EGO that is provoking this and don't get any improvement from those map changes, I'm out of ideas.

aka_kerrly

12,419 posts

211 months

Tuesday 31st August 2021
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What age Polo + engine are you using? Have you built some kind of pre 1994 1.3 8v with bike carbs or using a later 1994 onwards 1.4 or 1.6 16v engine in a pre 1994 era polo ?

on the 1.4/1.6 engines its the throttle position sensor and or throttle actuator that is often the culprit.

steveo3002

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Tuesday 31st August 2021
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aka_kerrly said:
What age Polo + engine are you using? Have you built some kind of pre 1994 1.3 8v with bike carbs or using a later 1994 onwards 1.4 or 1.6 16v engine in a pre 1994 era polo ?

on the 1.4/1.6 engines its the throttle position sensor and or throttle actuator that is often the culprit.
3f +abd bottom end ...3f inj gear , new tps which has a stable signal

Edited by steveo3002 on Tuesday 31st August 08:08

aka_kerrly

12,419 posts

211 months

Wednesday 1st September 2021
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steveo3002 said:
3f +abd bottom end ...3f inj gear , new tps which has a stable signal

Edited by steveo3002 on Tuesday 31st August 08:08
Cool little setup that. Me and one of my brothers have had a couple of GTs. The most tuned one ended up with a ported head, schrick cam (AMAZING upgrade with a 7500rpm rev limit) , 4 branch manifold, de-cat, 2.25" exhaust, retained the digi management with a "PoloAce" chip , swapped to a Golf GTI 8V digi Air flow Meter with larger intake piping to a ported throttle body. It made over 100hp, pretty much G40 power on a couple of dynos.
Speaking of throttle bodies have you De-wedged your throttle body as this can influence the small throttle input response.

From my experience the engines are so sensitive to issues with the Air Flow Meter and the blue temperature sender which feeds the ECU. The blue temp sensor is one of those items which has to be genuine or high quality, the cheap ones are poop.

steveo3002

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175 months

Wednesday 1st September 2021
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yeah ive tried stock and de wedged , doesnt seem to effect it

air flow meter is gone , it has a ford maf now

and i can monitor what the blue temp is doing and its working as it should