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R0G
3,274 posts
25 months
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Graham said: im in two minds about this i took my hgv at 19 in the army, which was cough a few years ago, as im not far from need ing the medical!!!
I dont drive for a living, but am out most weekends in my 7.5 tonner race transporter with my own car in the back.
its always nice to have the hgv as a fall back but the 30 odd hours for the dcpc is a bit steep for a hobby..
a nd it does seem like a right royal waste of time....
any thoughts
g You do not need dcpc for PRIVATE LGV driving such as your own LGV with your own racecar in it as that is a hobby and not a commercial venture As it is a PRIVATE LGV under 7.5 tonnes you do not need a tacho or come under EU regs 251/2006 or UK domestic regs HOWEVER - if after 09/09/2014 you want to do any commercial LGV driving then you will need all 35 hours of periodic dcpc before you can do so
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rb5er
4,575 posts
42 months
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R0G said: rb5er said: I did it as a theory and practical after i passed my hgv theory and practical. That was the initial dcpc You now have to do the periodic dcpc 35 hours before YOUR 5 years runs out The periodic dcpc is the problem and what the posts on this thread are referring to Yep i have done the dcpc and dont need to do the modules for 4 years .
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R0G
3,274 posts
25 months
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rb5er said: Yep i have done the dcpc and dont need to do the modules for 4 years . If your boss ever says he will pay for the odd 7 hour course then take it
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lgw
305 posts
80 months
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If you work in the Truck repair trade and only use your LGV for road tests and taking vehicles for test you don't need the DCPC either
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R0G
3,274 posts
25 months
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lgw said: If you work in the Truck repair trade and only use your LGV for road tests and taking vehicles for test you don't need the DCPC either 1st bit correct but not the second Mechanics taking LGVs for MOT etc do need DCPC - there is not an exemption for that this has been confirmed by the DSA dcpc section and VOLVO/MERC who are acreditted dcpc providers and also have mechanics Apparently the thinking that convinced the DSA was - The same job can be done by a LGV driver and a LGV driver/mechanic Whereas the road testing can only be done by a qualified mechanic to accertain if there are any mechanical faults
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leggly
463 posts
81 months
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It's a complete load of b  ks, end of! 
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popide
14 posts
54 months
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First module (WTD and tacho hours) completed at work today. Alot of waffle but did learn the odd bit here and there! Just another hoop to jump through I suppose? The fact you seem to be able to do the same module five times and get passed says it all really.
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lgw
305 posts
80 months
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R0G said: lgw said: If you work in the Truck repair trade and only use your LGV for road tests and taking vehicles for test you don't need the DCPC either 1st bit correct but not the second Mechanics taking LGVs for MOT etc do need DCPC - there is not an exemption for that this has been confirmed by the DSA dcpc section and VOLVO/MERC who are acreditted dcpc providers and also have mechanics Apparently the thinking that convinced the DSA was - The same job can be done by a LGV driver and a LGV driver/mechanic Whereas the road testing can only be done by a qualified mechanic to accertain if there are any mechanical faults I would be interested in seeing that written or pointed in the direction of where i can find it
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FussyFez
649 posts
46 months
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Got my CPC with my PCV.. Pretty simple stuff really, not sure how it would differ from an LGV or HGV one.
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lgw
305 posts
80 months
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There both the same, we are currently doing a company wide dcpc program and both LGV and PCV Licence holders are sitting the same courses
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herecomestrouble
78 posts
32 months
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I`ve done the same module 3 times, each with a different company. Then made redundant each time!
Not so keen on doing that module again
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lgw
305 posts
80 months
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You can do the same module 5 times if you wish, which really makes a mockery of the whole dcpc idea
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R0G
3,274 posts
25 months
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lgw
305 posts
80 months
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I would say looking at that list its a guideline and not a definitive list as to some of the exemptions provided, as the get out clause at the bottom states
I have been in touch with the FTA this morning and they are under the same view as my previous statement you can drive a HGV TO its annual test without a DCPC.
At the end of the day it would be up to the courts to interpret the ruling if a driver driving to an MOT station without a DCPC was ever brought before them
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R0G
3,274 posts
25 months
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lgw
305 posts
80 months
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Thanks for the link Rog Still doesn't clarify the question fully, DCPC is required for drivers who drive professionally, a HGV Technician could prove in court if needed that he was not driving professionally taking a vehicle for its annual test, the technical term used is an incidental driver and driving the vehicle is not their main occupation I think we will just have to agree to differ on this subject, you interpret it one way I another and others have a totally different view to us 
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R0G
3,274 posts
25 months
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lgw said: Thanks for the link Rog Still doesn't clarify the question fully, DCPC is required for drivers who drive professionally, a HGV Technician could prove in court if needed that he was not driving professionally taking a vehicle for its annual test, the technical term used is an incidental driver and driving the vehicle is not their main occupation I think we will just have to agree to differ on this subject, you interpret it one way I another and others have a totally different view to us The 'confusion' has already been sorted by the DSA/DfT so anyone differring would need to take a case to the EU court (super expensive) to argue with that The way the authorities determined it was that if the job (taking to MOT) could be done by a non mechanic then it does not come under any exemption
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pja
186 posts
95 months
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I intend to do the dcpc because I have 20+ working years and you never know, But I currently work as a used truck salesman and have to move empty vehicles about, deliver to customer etc on trade plates So technically would I be exempt as this is not my main employment? We also use a couple of retired blokes on a self employed ad hock basis to collect and deliver vehicles The idea of doing the dcpc frightens the s t out of them at 70+ years old But someone has told them they are exempt so they are sticking to that!........ I'm not so sure? PJA
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R0G
3,274 posts
25 months
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pja said: I intend to do the dcpc because I have 20+ working years and you never know, But I currently work as a used truck salesman and have to move empty vehicles about, deliver to customer etc on trade plates So technically would I be exempt as this is not my main employment? We also use a couple of retired blokes on a self employed ad hock basis to collect and deliver vehicles The idea of doing the dcpc frightens the s t out of them at 70+ years old But someone has told them they are exempt so they are sticking to that!........ I'm not so sure? PJA If a driver is employed by a LGV hire company to collect and deliver hired out vehicles then there was some exemption for either dcpc or tscho regs but I cannot find which it was ...... If I do find out I'll post later
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zip929
571 posts
47 months
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What a lod of crap this cpc is. Bureaucracy at it's very best. A driver of 20+ years has to pay to do a course to tell him how to do a job he has been doing successfully without issue for the last 20+ years! You could not make it up, unless of course you are a bureaucrat in Brussels.  I will have to do mine. Anyone have any recommendations for training in the Kent area?
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