Long cabs in UK?

[iguana]

Commonly seen when I'm in Scaninavia or have spotted in Holland too due to there odd long lengths they are allowed, but I've spotted a Scania Longline a couple of times in UK with 40ft container on, actually think I've seen a pair on the same day.

How does that fit in with the 16.5m for regular artic truck lengths then? is a container trailer running shorter then a normal artic 13.6m trailer? so that its still under 16.5m? but I do see extended containers around, not sure how much longer they are? or is it somehow registered as a wagon & drag & allowed 18.75m? tho not sure how if its stil got 5th wheel.


A quick google seems someone else spots it too-



http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/6100...



http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/6100...

Edited by iguana on Wednesday 6th November 15:25

Edited by iguana on Wednesday 6th November 16:22

[anonymous-user]

just pure guess work here but the trailer in the photo is a double trailer that links together (note the extra axle in the middle of the trailer ) so maybe it somehow passes/ is registered as a wagon and drag but is used as a single trailer, bit cheeky but seems legit. would be interested to see VOSA's view on it??

[jagracer]

A skeletal trailer or flatbed that carries containers will generally be 12 metres (40ft) long as in your pictures and not 13.6 metres long.

[chilistrucker]

iguana said:

Commonly seen when I'm in Scaninavia or have spotted in Holland too due to there odd long lengths they are allowed, but I've spotted a Scania Longline a couple of times in UK with 40ft container on, actually think I've seen a pair on the same day.

How does that fit in with the 16.5m for regular artic truck lengths then? is a container trailer running shorter then a normal artic 13.6m trailer? so that its still under 16.5m? but I do see extended containers around, not sure how much longer they are? or is it somehow registered as a wagon & drag & allowed 18.75m? tho not sure how if its stil got 5th wheel.


A quick google seems someone else spots it too-



http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/6100...


jagracer is right, standard skellys are 40ft long.
thd trailer in the pics that the longline pulls is a splitter. Its the standard 40ft skelly length, so can pull your standard 40ft, box.
cleverly though, it actually does split right in the middle, so can carry 2x20ft boxes to go and deliver, where as your average sliding skelly will only, "normally" carry the 1 20ft, mounted in the centre, until arriving at loading/offloading point where trailer gets shortened pushing the box to the back for loading/offloading.


would be nice though if we could have more living space in the cab though.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/6100...

Edited by iguana on Wednesday 6th November 15:25

Edited by iguana on Wednesday 6th November 16:22

[chilistrucker]

Sorry, meant to add, that once split, the splitter can technically deliver the goods from the 20ft containers, too 2 different locations at the same time, which is its advantage over the sliding skellies.

[jagracer]

Wow, I am so out of touch with artic sizes, how long has 13.6M been the norm? Last time I drove an artic (thankfully) 40ft trailers were the limit although I think they'd just increased the width limit for fridge trailers and 38 tonnes was the max weight on a 5 axle rig.

[chilistrucker]

jagracer said:

Wow, I am so out of touch with artic sizes, how long has 13.6M been the norm? Last time I drove an artic (thankfully) 40ft trailers were the limit although I think they'd just increased the width limit for fridge trailers and 38 tonnes was the max weight on a 5 axle rig.

well, since I passed my hgv, there were 45ft trailers in operation then.
that was november 1993

Can currently run in the uk, upto 44 tonnes on six axles, and trials are being done currently on longer artic trailers, not 100% certain, but approx 15.65 metres.

[jagracer]

chilistrucker said:

well, since I passed my hgv, there were 45ft trailers in operation then.
that was november 1993

I passed my test in 197*cough* and haven't driven an artic for work since about 1987. Since then I've only moved a few for people who don't seem to be able to reverse and had a play go a few times at our company's driver of the year comps for the past few years. Apart from that I'm happy not to be involved with them any more. The biggest trailer I tow now is my 3 ton car trailer

[chilistrucker]

197..........

[Nickyboy]

Skellys are indeed only 12m long therefore when hooked up to a Longline as in the pics they are within the length limits.

Same reason you quite often seen T Cabs pulling low loaders, bulkers or containers as they are built on the same chassis.

The 2 Longlines working for KER on containers are the only 2 in the country

[Chrisgr31]

Wasn't this an issue with car transporters that had a clever articulation in the middle which meant that when in a straight line they were the legal length but when going round corners they were longer to prevent the cars on board hitting each other

[anonymous-user]

chilistrucker said:

Can currently run in the uk, upto 44 tonnes on six axles, and trials are being done currently on longer artic trailers, not 100% certain, but approx 15.65 metres.

yep, we currently trial the longer trailers, we have a few 28 pallet ones and a few 30 pallet ones, both have rear steer.
No issue at all with going forward, however we have had to limit where the 30 pallets go due to the need to be straight with the cab before reversing in order to lock the rear steer as they are independent and not sharing a steering axle as such.
so some places are hard if you need to make a small shunt when backing up, they do have a manual overide at the back of the trailer but its a pain in the arse if you are in a tight spot to keep getting out and no one really needs an audience either!!!!
oh and straps, lots of straps!!!!

[GC8]

With regards to overall length: some trailers stretch in operation but retract when theyre stationary and its only then that they can be measured.

[GEARJAMMER]

As said above, there are only 2 working Longlines in the UK, both owned and operated by KER Transport in Southampton, the photos above are actually old ones, ive seen them before and i believe they were taken when the truck was owned by a previous owner and working out of Felixstowe.

The blue and white one is an R620 and the blue and silver one an R580, there is a third UK registered one which ive been told is no longer a working truck and is owned and kept by a bloke in Ireland.

I do containers myself so get to see these on a regular basis, i hope these come out, heres a few pics of them ive taken over the years......

A quick one i snapped of both trucks outside the workshop where they (and my trailer) are both serviced.

Yeovil Truck show.

Beaulie Truck show

Beaulie Truck show

[GC8]

Id quite like a go. They look a little excessive, but Im more of an 8x4 diff locks and cross locks fellow. They all look very, very low to the ground.

[Rubin215]

So the extra living space:

Toilet and shower?
Hot-tub?
Card table and bar?
Stage and pole...?

[chilistrucker]

Rubin215 said:

So the extra living space:

Toilet and shower?
Hot-tub?
Card table and bar?
Stage and pole...?

I would like you to get a job designing truck interiors, you'd get my vote

[grumpy52]

I saw a green one in Newbury services towing a container last year , looked massive and had loads of "wood" trim inside.

[Chipchap]

The two biggest issues associated with Longlines here in UK would be complying with the dimension of 4500mm from centreline of 5th wheel pin to front of vehicle and then rear axle loading as almost zero weight will go to the front axle from where the 5th whl is positioned currently.


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[Rockape]

Give svaergods are running one too. Smart machines