Truck driver rest rules....really?

Truck driver rest rules....really?

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s p a c e m a n

10,752 posts

147 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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750turbo said:
And are the relevant enforcement agencies that anally retentive that they are going to do him for moving 0.015Kms?
It's all electronic and done on a credit card type thing. You put the card in the box on the lorry and it records everything, even a meter of movement, and then you put it in a box back in the office at the end of the day. It all comes up on a computer, any infringements and you get a bking/your weekly bonus revoked and then when VOSA visit your office they can easily see all infringements going back years.


anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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cossy400 said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I had one that wouldn't let me out of a layby recently.

Strange how they can move when a Police Constable tells them to.

They can be absolute arses.
Copper will of had to sign, date, name and number on a print out for him to move.
Have a read https://www.gov.uk/browse/driving/drivers-lorries-... esp the drivers hours bit then think about it, It's all stored on a little digicard now just like your bank debit card so Vosa (DVSA) can stick it in a reader and "rape" you for infringements up to 6 months ago i think.

There is also exemptions allowed to reach a place of safety if you are unduly delayed due to unforseen circumstances ie RTC tailbacks. Many truckdrivers tend to overlook/forget that bit "when it suits" wink

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

187 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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speedyguy said:
cossy400 said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I had one that wouldn't let me out of a layby recently.

Strange how they can move when a Police Constable tells them to.

They can be absolute arses.
Copper will of had to sign, date, name and number on a print out for him to move.
Have a read https://www.gov.uk/browse/driving/drivers-lorries-... esp the drivers hours bit then think about it, It's all stored on a little digicard now just like your bank debit card so Vosa (DVSA) can stick it in a reader and "rape" you for infringements up to 6 months ago i think.

There is also exemptions allowed to reach a place of safety if you are unduly delayed due to unforseen circumstances ie RTC tailbacks. Many truckdrivers tend to overlook/forget that bit "when it suits" wink
I agree with the last bit.

I've been gaining some experience lately, having decided to use a van as a service vehicle, and having been introduced to the GB domestic hours regs for those.

I can imagine a day when anything used for business use will have a tacho of some sort.

Private Pile

754 posts

194 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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At my local Tesco forecourt the designated unloading area blocks off the ATM and airline.

I deliver fuel to petrol stations and I nearly always block off the car wash / airline / Hoover / staff car park etc. We unload where we are told to.

And no, we can't move whilst on a break. As soon as I drive, the tacho changes from rest to driving. You wouldn't choose to take your break on a forecourt but sometimes needs must or they've been told by the office to take 15/30/45 there.

Of course if the police tell us to move then we move. We're told to get the officer to sign our tacho slip along with they're badge number.

Our tacho cards are downloaded at the start and end of every shift, and any 'fault' is shown straight away.

Hope this helps clear things up.


Zedboy1200

Original Poster:

814 posts

210 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Private Pile said:
Hope this helps clear things up.
Completely…cheers PP (and all)

MajorProblem

4,700 posts

163 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Get this loads of times when they decide railway accesses are the best place to have a break.

Nickyboy

6,700 posts

233 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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750turbo said:
And are the relevant enforcement agencies that anally retentive that they are going to do him for moving 0.015Kms?

Really?
Yes!

Its not the distance that's the issue, with digital tachographs if you move the vehicle even a few feet the tacho can record it and automatically record it as 15mins of "driving" regardless of whether you took 15 seconds or 15 mins. This renders your break invalid meaning you've probably gone over your driving time and creating an infringement which can be up to a £1k fine for the driver.

cossy400

3,153 posts

183 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Tis a joy and telling Vosa you didnt know blah blah wont wash either.

You ll just get thats £100 please.


mp3manager

4,254 posts

195 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Private Pile said:
At my local Tesco forecourt the designated unloading area blocks off the ATM and airline.
That seems to be the way forecourts are designed nowadays.

Here is Wetherby Services on the A1(M), which just happens to have an M&S mini-mart.

The unloading area, which also has a dropped kerb to move the warehouse cages into the fenced area at the back of the building, also has an air machine.
So if the air machine is blocked whilst deliveries are being made, whose fault is that?
The guy who designed it like that or the guy who's just doing his daily job of work?

MJK 24

5,648 posts

235 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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mp3manager said:
Private Pile said:
At my local Tesco forecourt the designated unloading area blocks off the ATM and airline.
That seems to be the way forecourts are designed nowadays.

Here is Wetherby Services on the A1(M), which just happens to have an M&S mini-mart.

The unloading area, which also has a dropped kerb to move the warehouse cages into the fenced area at the back of the building, also has an air machine.
So if the air machine is blocked whilst deliveries are being made, whose fault is that?
The guy who designed it like that or the guy who's just doing his daily job of work?
The guy who designed the site!

There's a 'proper' M&S in the main building anyway!!

catman

2,490 posts

174 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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When I was a driver, I had a major row with another van driver. He parked in the end parking bay next to me and then someone else parked behind him. (They were both making deliveries, I was on a break)

He asked me to move and I politely told him that I couldn't and why. Of course, he knew all about tachos and said that he would push my van with the engine off.

When I said that it would still show on the tacho, I got the mental, saying that I was being awkward and he had deliveries to make!

Tim

750turbo

6,164 posts

223 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Nickyboy said:
750turbo said:
And are the relevant enforcement agencies that anally retentive that they are going to do him for moving 0.015Kms?

Really?
Yes!

Its not the distance that's the issue, with digital tachographs if you move the vehicle even a few feet the tacho can record it and automatically record it as 15mins of "driving" regardless of whether you took 15 seconds or 15 mins. This renders your break invalid meaning you've probably gone over your driving time and creating an infringement which can be up to a £1k fine for the driver.
Bloody Hell guys, you have my sympathy!

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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mp3manager said:
an M&S mini-mart.
WTF is a "mini-mart"?
Are you a secret American?

Private Pile

754 posts

194 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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I can understand why old forecourt that were designed years ago and now have shops etc added on are stuck for space.

But, like Wetherby, where it's a brand new site then there is no excuse for this.

When I'm unloading ( fuel ), I don't want the public near me. And at a modern delivery point , there's no excuse for trucks / cars / public sharing the same space.

It doesn't happen every day but I've had guys want to fight because they couldn't get to the car wash or use the airline. I've also had folk leaning against the tanker smoking a cigarette.

In an ideal world ( for me ), there would be a secure area at the back of the building for parking and unloading the tanker.

surveyor

17,768 posts

183 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Private Pile said:
I can understand why old forecourt that were designed years ago and now have shops etc added on are stuck for space.

But, like Wetherby, where it's a brand new site then there is no excuse for this.

When I'm unloading ( fuel ), I don't want the public near me. And at a modern delivery point , there's no excuse for trucks / cars / public sharing the same space.

It doesn't happen every day but I've had guys want to fight because they couldn't get to the car wash or use the airline. I've also had folk leaning against the tanker smoking a cigarette.

In an ideal world ( for me ), there would be a secure area at the back of the building for parking and unloading the tanker.
I think they've been caught out at Wetherby by it's success and expanded it. It was rammed today.

Getragdogleg

8,737 posts

182 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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750turbo said:
Bloody Hell guys, you have my sympathy!
This is the tip of the iceberg in terms of compliance. There are many hoops to jump through. Oddly enough most of them cost the driver money if he infringes.

Lots of us feel that the original legislation that was designed for safety has suffered huge scope creep and now the regulations are as much about catching you out to raid your wallet.

lesstatt

4,318 posts

189 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Spitfire2 said:
Right.

But also a git for blocking the airline and not giving a toss about anyone else.
This, bet he was fat as well !

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

197 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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mp3manager said:
This garages with mini-supermarkets inside them never have enough room for the trucks to deliver to, so after hand-balling heavy cages of stuff that the public buy, and as it is illegal to 'tip-off-the-card', he was probably having a well earned cuppa.
I used to 'tip on break', for the non-tacho experienced reading, that meant my tacho was reading break while I was tipping. Most drops would take 15 minutes or more, which meant I could stop somewhere convenient for a break rather than get caught out, or end up being stuck on a forecourt somewhere. This was in the paper tacho days (2001-2 isn), most people I knew did it, which although illegal technically, suited the drivers, the customers and the bosses.

I've never used a digital tacho, so don't know if anyone still attempts to do this. Obviously I can't condone it, as it's an infringement of the rules, but back then it wasn't raised as an issue on the tacho checks. We had 100% checks too so everyone's cards were examined, not just a proportion as per the regs.

chilistrucker

4,541 posts

150 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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750turbo said:
Bloody Hell guys, you have my sympathy!
Cheers wink
There is always the odd awkward lorry driver, but most are just going about their daily grind and trying to keep everything 100% legal, and as others have explained the slightest move will register on the tacho/digicard so its just not worth the hassle.

Cracks me up that whoever makes these rules up for us to adhere to on the 1 hand would possibly nick us for moving 5ft whilst on break, and yet also feel that technically its fine for us to do a 15 hour shift, with only 9 hours off as daily rest each day before doing it all again the following day. Bonkers.

Private Pile

754 posts

194 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Mods, I think it was a mistake to move this from General Gassing. Everyone on Commercial Break knows why the driver took their rest there. And the question was asked by a car driver.

Should be moved back IMO.

Cheers