Truck driver rest rules....really?

[AF1]

You can get away with moving very slowly forward on everything I've tried including the latest Euro 6 motors with the second source of motion input. I was actually trying it to see if it would bring up a sensor conflict and it didn't. Whether this is true for all digital tachos with the second source of motion input I couldn't say but in most if the stuff I've worked on the ECU doesn't see a reliable wheel speed signal below 3km/hr.

[Humper]

Hmmm, some gobste once told me that tipping on a break is illegal, whether you "need" it or not, but hey, some bloke on Pishtonheds said he did it.......

[GC8]

Tipping on break certainly isnt legal. Ive done it, but VOSA will have you. Even if youre drinking a brew whilst youre being loaded on a bay. Other work or possibly POA. Literally tipping on break, or handlay, is definitely work.

[mph1977]

GC8 said:

Tipping on break certainly isnt legal. Ive done it, but VOSA will have you. Even if youre drinking a brew whilst youre being loaded on a bay. Other work or possibly POA. Literally tipping on break, or handlay, is definitely work.

depends what beign tipped surely ?

if you are on the bay and know that you won't be moving for hours ( e.g. losse loaded contained being conveyor tipped to pallets or hand balled on to pallets by loaders ) whitat iis t stop you having your break - i've seen it take 5 hours to unload a container before 12000 + little boxes of hand cream to be tipped and sorted by SKU/UPC

the POA stuff is when you don;t know when you'll be called onto the bay and how long or not tipping will take - dodgy trying to take a 45 if you have a palletised load with one PPT or fork truck tipping it ... especially dodgy if you put 2 or 3 PPTs onto it to clear it out and off the bay ...

[GC8]

I see your point, but VOSA will have you. You cant freely dispose of your time.

[s p a c e m a n]

Yeah, it's easy pickings for them. They used to sit outside Dartford Crossways Asda picking drivers off as they left, even though we were sitting in the canteen eating roast dinners they would have you if your tacho only showed one stop inside there and it was on rest. Loads of people were caught out by that

[GC8]

3x Hours CPC modules (in the last two days...) and Im an expert!

[bigfatnick]

mph1977 said:

GC8 said:

Tipping on break certainly isnt legal. Ive done it, but VOSA will have you. Even if youre drinking a brew whilst youre being loaded on a bay. Other work or possibly POA. Literally tipping on break, or handlay, is definitely work.

depends what beign tipped surely ?

if you are on the bay and know that you won't be moving for hours ( e.g. losse loaded contained being conveyor tipped to pallets or hand balled on to pallets by loaders ) whitat iis t stop you having your break - i've seen it take 5 hours to unload a container before 12000 + little boxes of hand cream to be tipped and sorted by SKU/UPC

the POA stuff is when you don;t know when you'll be called onto the bay and how long or not tipping will take - dodgy trying to take a 45 if you have a palletised load with one PPT or fork truck tipping it ... especially dodgy if you put 2 or 3 PPTs onto it to clear it out and off the bay ...

i guess its case by case. but i was pulled in by vosa with a potato bulker towards the end of last year, he noticed that a couple of hours earlier i'd been on break (analogue tacho) whilst loading, said that i just sat in the cab whilst they did it all and he seemed happy enough. since then i always make sure there is 5-10 of other work at either end of me being on break whilst loading. i guess its just one example, but it works for me.

[Blondehippy]

In the lorries I drive if you so much as touch the keys in the ignition it goes over from break to other work or driving. I got caught out by that last week and I had to restart my break twice

[GC8]

That's unnecessary, isn't it?

[hidetheelephants]

GC8 said:

That's unnecessary, isn't it?

It's all pretty unneccessary; the sooner it moves from the rules-heavy system we have now to something biometric, perhaps google glass-style realtime monitoring of alertness, rest etc, the better. That way only drivers who are actually fatigued will have to park up, everyone else can just trog on and get the job done without having to memorise a load of overcomplicated rules and be dictated to by a tyrant in the dashboard.

[heebeegeetee]

Nigel Worc's said:

Then don't block the exit of layby's, that should be easy enough for even the dimmest of people to understand.

I used to truck up and down the country and I've never seen the exits of lay-bys blocked. The entry to them yes, on a regular basis, the truck pulls into the layby but there's no room to park, so he has to stop in the 'live lane bit, and you stop at the back to prevent anyone else coming in and finding they can't get out.

There is an acute shortage of parking space for hgvs in the uk. Finding somewhere to take your 45 mins break, especially at night, can sometimes be a real, real problem.

But Nigel, don't give the impression that hgvs blocking the exit to laybys is any sort of an issue, 'cos it just isn't.

[jmorgan]

Seeing more cars and "for sale" cars and advertising vans in lay-bys. I assume there is some sort of car share pool going on at many motorway junctions where there are decent length lay-bys. There are knock on effects.

I find the for sale and advertising vans a mare and be quite happy if they were crushed. (I have a parrot ready)

[Cataldo]

imagine the money the country would recoup if the DVSA were in charge of chasing Tax evaders and regulating the banking industry and they did it with the same relish and enthusiasm as they do when they're fining drivers for breaking an EU reg by 2 minutes.

[Nigel Worc's]

heebeegeetee said:

Nigel Worc's said:

Then don't block the exit of layby's, that should be easy enough for even the dimmest of people to understand.

I used to truck up and down the country and I've never seen the exits of lay-bys blocked. The entry to them yes, on a regular basis, the truck pulls into the layby but there's no room to park, so he has to stop in the 'live lane bit, and you stop at the back to prevent anyone else coming in and finding they can't get out.

There is an acute shortage of parking space for hgvs in the uk. Finding somewhere to take your 45 mins break, especially at night, can sometimes be a real, real problem.

But Nigel, don't give the impression that hgvs blocking the exit to laybys is any sort of an issue, 'cos it just isn't.

It as to me.

[heebeegeetee]

Nigel Worc's said:

It as to me.

How do you manage to find so much trouble with hgvs? Do you have some kind of radar?

So how often do you see vehicles blocked in lay-bys unable to get out 'cos an hgv is positioned at the front instead of the back?

[All that jazz]

heebeegeetee said:

Nigel Worc's said:

It as to me.

How do you manage to find so much trouble with hgvs? Do you have some kind of radar?

So how often do you see vehicles blocked in lay-bys unable to get out 'cos an hgv is positioned at the front instead of the back?

Nigel finds problems with everything. Just read his other posts across the various forums. Nigel isn't happy unless he's making a big issue out of a complete non-event.

[mph1977]

All that jazz said:

heebeegeetee said:

Nigel Worc's said:

It as to me.

How do you manage to find so much trouble with hgvs? Do you have some kind of radar?

So how often do you see vehicles blocked in lay-bys unable to get out 'cos an hgv is positioned at the front instead of the back?

Nigel finds problems with everything. Just read his other posts across the various forums. Nigel isn't happy unless he's making a big issue out of a complete non-event.

I am beginning to wonder whether Nigel doesn't in fact have some kind of age related cognitive impairment ...

[caelite]

Hey guys can I ask a silly question? How do VOSA/DVSA confirm there identity before you pull over? It is still 8am and I haven't had my coffee but all I can imagine is the waving of wallets out of windows at 55mph which seems a bit unfeasible.

[grumpy52]

This has been raised with them by myself with the last lot that pulled me .
I said that if I was carrying a high value load I would not stop until it was confirmed by the police on the phone that they were genuine .
Most load hijackings involve impersonation of officials of some sort .
If in doubt don't stop until confirmed by the police control .
They will be rather upset !