Transit Engines Recalled What’s going on?

[Ivan stewart]

Square Leg said:

Looking at most of the Connect sized vans, they all run a 1.5 Diesel engine - I assume they’re all a similar variant with a wet belt?

The Nissan Townstar with a 5 year warranty has a 1.3 petrol but I don’t know what type of belt they have.
Ran a Navara pick up (last shape) for 3 years and it was faultless.

The 1.5 is standard timing belt , it’s basically the same engine as Toyota , Peugeot and Citroen use ,

[Teddy Lop]

Anyone got any idea what the actual numbers are? It's easy for t'net to over egg an issue, when on the road sometimes you're in a queue of traffic at the lights and every other vehicle is a transit custom they're that ubiquitous in the city.

(19 plate 40k worrier)

[Ivan stewart]

Teddy Lop said:

Anyone got any idea what the actual numbers are? It's easy for t'net to over egg an issue, when on the road sometimes you're in a queue of traffic at the lights and every other vehicle is a transit custom they're that ubiquitous in the city.

(19 plate 40k worrier)

Customer of mine runs a few has a guy who worked for a Ford garage looking after them and it seems they have been reliable on the whole, seems it’s people topping up or using the wrong oil , or running them with diluted oil caused by DPF problems that causes the wet belt to break up , change the oil often and use the Ford Castrol oil plan to have the belt done early and it seems you will be ok ..

[Patch1875]

Any idea of a rough cost to change the wet belt from a dealer?

[Matt_E_Mulsion]

Ivan stewart said:

Customer of mine runs a few has a guy who worked for a Ford garage looking after them and it seems they have been reliable on the whole, seems it’s people topping up or using the wrong oil , or running them with diluted oil caused by DPF problems that causes the wet belt to break up , change the oil often and use the Ford Castrol oil plan to have the belt done early and it seems you will be ok ..

I don't really buy that. The 68 plate Transit that delaminated it's wet belt on us, was serviced on schedule using genuine Ford parts and oil. The van was run daily, still under warranty and in the region of 90,000 miles in less than three years when the problem arose. It never had or even has DPF problems either. The van was looked after exactly the way Ford intended it to be, yet still had the delamination issue.

[kev b]

I dont buy that either, our vehicles were maintained at our cost, bang on schedule by the local Ford dealer, the belts went before 100,000m despite this.

Manufacturers warranty ended at 100,000 miles, belt change interval scheduled at 140,000m.

[stevemcs]

Patch1875 said:

Any idea of a rough cost to change the wet belt from a dealer?

I'm just quoting on one now so will have a rough price soon.

[WarrenB]

Could all the Euro 6 2.0 engines have this issue? Due to low emission zones and the stupid price of newer vans at the moment I'm looking at the pre-facelift Euro 6 Customs (2016 onwards). Full service and belt replacement will be the first thing I do if I go for one regardless of mileage, but seems some have a Euro 6 engine, later ones have Euro 6.2, can't work out the difference between them!

[stevemcs]

I think aftermarket but with genuine parts your going to be somewhere between £700 and £1250. Why the large variation ? the cheaper end is just the cambelt with an oil change, it then depends if you want to change the waterpump - it looks like you need to remove it so the gasket needs to be changed at the very minimum, then if the front crank seal is leaking you can only buy it with the timing cover - £290 on its own, then the oil pump belt, you would be daft not to replace this and the pick up pipe

[kev b]

Best change the sump as well as removing it to access the oil pickup for cleaning/replacing usually distorts the mating services.

Not removing the sump and checking the pickup is lunacy in my view.

[Ivan stewart]

Matt_E_Mulsion said:

I don't really buy that. The 68 plate Transit that delaminated it's wet belt on us, was serviced on schedule using genuine Ford parts and oil. The van was run daily, still under warranty and in the region of 90,000 miles in less than three years when the problem arose. It never had or even has DPF problems either. The van was looked after exactly the way Ford intended it to be, yet still had the delamination issue.

Serviced on schedule!! Think that’s the problem ??
It might be ok for marketing purposes and on paper
But in the real world you really want an oil change around 10 k or yearly and the belt at 4 years or 80 k ..

[autumnsum]

All this stuff makes the electric vans look like a bargain. Nothing to keep an eye on but the tyres for the first 100k or so! Maybe that's why all the delivery companies gone electric.

[r3g]

autumnsum said:

All this stuff makes the electric vans look like a bargain. Nothing to keep an eye on but the tyres for the first 100k or so! Maybe that's why all the delivery companies gone electric.

The range of electric vans is about 800 yards if you want to carry a decent payload and use the heater, lights, wipers and radio all at the same time in a typical British winter.

[Patch1875]

I service mines every year now. It’s on 70k now.

Maybe look it replace the belt next year but seems if you do all the above it’s going to be pushing 1.5-2k.

Maybe a new van is an option but they certainly aren’t cheap just now.

[itcaptainslow]

20-30k intervals are quite frankly madness. Looks great when selling to the fleets, but disastrous for longevity.

The DV6 in the Citroen Dispatch had 20k intervals, the same engine in a car - 12.5k (which being honest was too long in itself!).

[autumnsum]

r3g said:

The range of electric vans is about 800 yards if you want to carry a decent payload and use the heater, lights, wipers and radio all at the same time in a typical British winter.

So how come all the youtube reviews show that isn't the case at all? And why are all the delivery companies who deliver to me in electric vans? DHL, Amazon etc?

[georgeyboy12345]

autumnsum said:

r3g said:

The range of electric vans is about 800 yards if you want to carry a decent payload and use the heater, lights, wipers and radio all at the same time in a typical British winter.

So how come all the youtube reviews show that isn't the case at all? And why are all the delivery companies who deliver to me in electric vans? DHL, Amazon etc?

Yeah he’s just talking rubbish. They make a lot of sense for short stop-start city deliveries

[daydotz]

Tesco are using maxus EV vans they rapidly growing their EV fleet across the country so they must be working although they probably going to be less problematic then the transit's most supermarkets have decided to get

[Perica11]

I'm on the way to buy a small/medium panel van for my business. I'm considering VW T6 or T5 or Ford Transit Custom. I would prefer as new as possible and with less than 100k km. Price about 20k eur. After reading about so many issues you had with your Transits, especially with the wet timing belt, I'm afraid of getting one. Are there any improvements in 2020+ models? If you buy a new van can I do the oil change by myself or at least at shorter intervals to avoid failures (and still have the valid warranty)? 

[twing]

Perica11 said:

I'm on the way to buy a small/medium panel van for my business. I'm considering VW T6 or T5 or Ford Transit Custom. I would prefer as new as possible and with less than 100k km. Price about 20k eur. After reading about so many issues you had with your Transits, especially with the wet timing belt, I'm afraid of getting one. Are there any improvements in 2020+ models? If you buy a new van can I do the oil change by myself or at least at shorter intervals to avoid failures (and still have the valid warranty)? 

Not sure where you are as you quoted price in Euros/Kms but in the UK you would struggle to get either at that price/mileage. Not had many problems with wet-belts at that age. As for the oil Ford will only look an issue if you have a full invoice for any work, including the correct type of oil. They are being far less helpful than they were a year or so ago.