Transit Engines Recalled What’s going on?

[Perica11]

I'm buying it in Germany. Saw a couple of them on mobile.de from 2018 - 2021 for like 20k eur without VAT. But afraid of bad maintenance of the previous owner and the unknown history of the vehicle. Because of that I'm also thinking about getting a brand new one. Eg Trend 320 2.0TDCI 136 KS is 29.680,00 eur, while Trend 320 2.0TDCI 150 KS is 30.200,00 eur - all prices without VAT.
New Reanult Trafic price is simlar: Furgon L1H1P2 Energy dCi 150hp 2,0L is 28.690,00 eur. What do yo think?

Btw currently I'm owning the Peugeot Expert 2.0 120hp from 2017. Engine is rubbish, consuming oil like crazy but all those mechanics I asked for repair said it's not worth and to sell it. Don't want to repeat the same mistake

[WarrenB]

Perica11 said:

I'm buying it in Germany. Saw a couple of them on mobile.de from 2018 - 2021 for like 20k eur without VAT. But afraid of bad maintenance of the previous owner and the unknown history of the vehicle. Because of that I'm also thinking about getting a brand new one. Eg Trend 320 2.0TDCI 136 KS is 29.680,00 eur, while Trend 320 2.0TDCI 150 KS is 30.200,00 eur - all prices without VAT.
New Reanult Trafic price is simlar: Furgon L1H1P2 Energy dCi 150hp 2,0L is 28.690,00 eur. What do yo think?

Btw currently I'm owning the Peugeot Expert 2.0 120hp from 2017. Engine is rubbish, consuming oil like crazy but all those mechanics I asked for repair said it's not worth and to sell it. Don't want to repeat the same mistake

This is my concern too. Because of the obscene prices of them in the UK I've gone from being able to afford a brand new one to an early facelift/late pre-facelift Custom, but even a full service history doesn't give peace of mind considering how many still have issues.

Are the new/replacement engines they're fitting improved in any way to avoid the same happening again, or are they the same and likely to continue having the same issues?

[Teddy Lop]

Perica11 said:

I'm on the way to buy a small/medium panel van for my business. I'm considering VW T6 or T5 or Ford Transit Custom. I would prefer as new as possible and with less than 100k km. Price about 20k eur. After reading about so many issues you had with your Transits, especially with the wet timing belt, I'm afraid of getting one. Are there any improvements in 2020+ models? If you buy a new van can I do the oil change by myself or at least at shorter intervals to avoid failures (and still have the valid warranty)? 

You can't be far off the price of a new one no? Mine (130 auto limited) was 20+vat in 2019. Are you vat reg or can get a temp vat no?

I worry about it a little but TBF there are gazillions on the road, the overall affected is probably relatively small. Mind parts availability is a problem, a mechanic I know was telling me of someone who got stiffed by fords, charged him 10k for a supposed fully reconditioned block as that was all they could supply that promptly exploded, no claimback as fitted by others, recons they did nothing more than clean the outside.

You could always insure against mechanical failure? If mine pops and I stick an old euro5 lump in it will anyone know?

[stevemcs]

With regards to wetbelt and failures i would be looking at getting them changed around 80-100k or 7 years, we did one a few weeks ago and it was close to failure. It was over 100k but 6 years old.

Ford by all accounts are offering discounted engines, to get a warranty certain parts need to be changed.

[HTP99]

Teddy Lop said:

Perica11 said:

I'm on the way to buy a small/medium panel van for my business. I'm considering VW T6 or T5 or Ford Transit Custom. I would prefer as new as possible and with less than 100k km. Price about 20k eur. After reading about so many issues you had with your Transits, especially with the wet timing belt, I'm afraid of getting one. Are there any improvements in 2020+ models? If you buy a new van can I do the oil change by myself or at least at shorter intervals to avoid failures (and still have the valid warranty)? 

You can't be far off the price of a new one no? Mine (130 auto limited) was 20+vat in 2019. Are you vat reg or can get a temp vat no?

I worry about it a little but TBF there are gazillions on the road, the overall affected is probably relatively small. Mind parts availability is a problem, a mechanic I know was telling me of someone who got stiffed by fords, charged him 10k for a supposed fully reconditioned block as that was all they could supply that promptly exploded, no claimback as fitted by others, recons they did nothing more than clean the outside.

You could always insure against mechanical failure? If mine pops and I stick an old euro5 lump in it will anyone know?

Have you seen the prices of vans now, I wouldn't be surprised if you got close to £20k + VAT for yours now?

[Perica11]

Teddy Lop said:

You can't be far off the price of a new one no? Mine (130 auto limited) was 20+vat in 2019. Are you vat reg or can get a temp vat no?

I worry about it a little but TBF there are gazillions on the road, the overall affected is probably relatively small. Mind parts availability is a problem, a mechanic I know was telling me of someone who got stiffed by fords, charged him 10k for a supposed fully reconditioned block as that was all they could supply that promptly exploded, no claimback as fitted by others, recons they did nothing more than clean the outside.

You could always insure against mechanical failure? If mine pops and I stick an old euro5 lump in it will anyone know?

I'm buying it as a business owner - VAT exlclusive price. Just got an offer for 320 SWB 130hp trend with some basic equipment - 28.820,00 eur + VAT. After checking the ads I could get something used 1-2 years old with 50k-100k km for about 20k EUR + VAT

[kev b]

One more thing to be aware of re Transits is the astonishing cost of spare parts, many of which can’t be obtained elsewhere yet.

EG wiper motors, common failure item, c £1K a pair, rear heater pipes, very prone to salt corrosion- £500+ for a partial section, slding door catches - £500.

Driveshafts for autos are over £400 each and can’t be repaired, no aftermarket available atm a split CV boot means a new complete driveshaft, £150 each for an aftermarket manual driveshaft however.

[Teddy Lop]

HTP99 said:

Teddy Lop said:

Perica11 said:

I'm on the way to buy a small/medium panel van for my business. I'm considering VW T6 or T5 or Ford Transit Custom. I would prefer as new as possible and with less than 100k km. Price about 20k eur. After reading about so many issues you had with your Transits, especially with the wet timing belt, I'm afraid of getting one. Are there any improvements in 2020+ models? If you buy a new van can I do the oil change by myself or at least at shorter intervals to avoid failures (and still have the valid warranty)? 

You can't be far off the price of a new one no? Mine (130 auto limited) was 20+vat in 2019. Are you vat reg or can get a temp vat no?

I worry about it a little but TBF there are gazillions on the road, the overall affected is probably relatively small. Mind parts availability is a problem, a mechanic I know was telling me of someone who got stiffed by fords, charged him 10k for a supposed fully reconditioned block as that was all they could supply that promptly exploded, no claimback as fitted by others, recons they did nothing more than clean the outside.

You could always insure against mechanical failure? If mine pops and I stick an old euro5 lump in it will anyone know?

Have you seen the prices of vans now, I wouldn't be surprised if you got close to £20k + VAT for yours now?

Crumbs, I stand corrected. The equivalent model seems to be about £32k at brokers (discounted from £39k!)

That happened quickly, when sh van prices went bananas a couple of years back the brokers were still listing them at little more than what I paid while wbac were offering the same on mine, albeit i understand with limited availability... I was tempted to order one and if successful effectively renew the van for free, which seemed insane.

[MattCharlton91]

Teddy Lop said:

You can't be far off the price of a new one no? Mine (130 auto limited) was 20+vat in 2019. Are you vat reg or can get a temp vat no?

I worry about it a little but TBF there are gazillions on the road, the overall affected is probably relatively small. Mind parts availability is a problem, a mechanic I know was telling me of someone who got stiffed by fords, charged him 10k for a supposed fully reconditioned block as that was all they could supply that promptly exploded, no claimback as fitted by others, recons they did nothing more than clean the outside.

You could always insure against mechanical failure? If mine pops and I stick an old euro5 lump in it will anyone know?

My best mate had exactly this issue, £9k for a “recon” short engine, clearly had been cleaned externally, but upon inspection after refitting and firing it up, it had a hole in the 3rd piston. Of course ford washed their hands of it. Even after being presented with evidence that it could only be their issue. Truck was returning missing loads of fixings, covers Bent or poorly refitted… the worst thing is, it’s a 2016 transit tipper with 60k on the clock, on engine number 3. If I had a need for a 3.5t truck again, even after years of running mk6/7s, transits would be the very bottom of the list!

[ChemicalChaos]

It does seem that Ford can't build a reliable engine to save their life any more.
The wet belt ecoblue/ecoboost issues are the latest in a long line, the previous Duratorq engines were recalled for disintegrating oil pumps. Even when using the special ford oil with a very specific shear load rating, the centrifugal vane pumps would shed rotors and write the engine off by the time you'd noticed it and stopped the vehicle.
Weirdly the Transit and Defender were recalled to "fix" but the Ranger with the 2.2 and 3.2 of the same engines never was, Ford denying any issue existed with them.
So now we see, due to the complete lack of problems with those two engine families, the newest Ranger has gone back to using the Lion V6. An engine that is infamous in Land Rover circles for having undersized big ends that overheat, spin, cut off crank oil feeds and lead to a snapped crank (all liability denied, of course).
You couldn't make it up!

I'll stick with my Japanese offerings.....

[Ivan stewart]

ChemicalChaos said:

It does seem that Ford can't build a reliable engine to save their life any more.
The wet belt ecoblue/ecoboost issues are the latest in a long line, the previous Duratorq engines were recalled for disintegrating oil pumps. Even when using the special ford oil with a very specific shear load rating, the centrifugal vane pumps would shed rotors and write the engine off by the time you'd noticed it and stopped the vehicle.
Weirdly the Transit and Defender were recalled to "fix" but the Ranger with the 2.2 and 3.2 of the same engines never was, Ford denying any issue existed with them.
So now we see, due to the complete lack of problems with those two engine families, the newest Ranger has gone back to using the Lion V6. An engine that is infamous in Land Rover circles for having undersized big ends that overheat, spin, cut off crank oil feeds and lead to a snapped crank (all liability denied, of course).
You couldn't make it up!

I'll stick with my Japanese offerings.....

Seems instead of using improved materials and oils to increase reliability European manufacturers have seen an opportunity to make engines cheaper and lighter built ,
When you compare old engines with new it’s amazing how cheap and nasty they are inside ..
Sadly it’s harder to find a genuine Japanese engine in what you think is a Japanese car and especially a commercial they seem to keep the best stuff for themselves Toyota sells us a rebadged PSA and the home market gets the HiAce ..

Edited by Ivan stewart on Thursday 5th October 08:48

[ChemicalChaos]

Ivan stewart said:

Seems instead of using improved materials and oils to increase reliability European manufacturers have seen an opportunity to make engines cheaper and lighter built ,
When you compare old engines with new it’s amazing how cheap and nasty they are inside ..
Sadly it’s harder to find a genuine Japanese engine in what you think is a Japanese car and especially a commercial they seem to keep the best stuff for themselves Toyota sells us a rebadged PSA and the home market gets the HiAce ..

I dunno about keeping the best for themselves... I've recently been forced by cirumstance to move on from a MK8 Hilux, and whilst the 2.4 2GD-FTV engine was never going to set the world alight with power and torque, it was completely unbreakable. You've got to be confident in it to warranty it to 100k miles - and noticeably, their service intervals are 10k not 20 or 30!

[Ivan stewart]

ChemicalChaos said:

I dunno about keeping the best for themselves... I've recently been forced by cirumstance to move on from a MK8 Hilux, and whilst the 2.4 2GD-FTV engine was never going to set the world alight with power and torque, it was completely unbreakable. You've got to be confident in it to warranty it to 100k miles - and noticeably, their service intervals are 10k not 20 or 30!

I’ve got one the extra cab version it’s one of many Hilux’s I’ve owned all have be superb , maybe not the best for comfort but streets ahead of everything else I have for low depreciation and running costs ..
Built in SA the chassis are the only thing to watch mine have had a good plastering in dintrol and I’m Thinking of taking the rear body of and giving it a clean and re treat in the spring ..

[reddiesel]

Ivan stewart said:

I’ve got one the extra cab version it’s one of many Hilux’s I’ve owned all have be superb , maybe not the best for comfort but streets ahead of everything else I have for low depreciation and running costs ..
Built in SA the chassis are the only thing to watch mine have had a good plastering in dintrol and I’m Thinking of taking the rear body of and giving it a clean and re treat in the spring ..

I am due to pick up a brand spanking Hilux Invincible X 2.8 on Thursday and I am considering doing likewise . Transits in my humble opinion have literally fallen off a cliff since Production left Southampton . The dirty underhand way the EU and Ford conspired to move the Plant to Turkey left a really stale taste in my mouth so I simply wouldn't consider a Ford . I have ran only Sprinters since their introduction in the late nineties .

[Patch1875]

Had a couple of ‘offers’ for the new version of the Custom.

Smart looking van but retail of the diesel limited is £46K.

Will be keeping mines until it dies which may not be that long as it’s at 75k.

[stevemcs]

Patch1875 said:

Had a couple of ‘offers’ for the new version of the Custom.

Smart looking van but retail of the diesel limited is £46K.

Will be keeping mines until it dies which may not be that long as it’s at 75k.

Get the wet belt done early and that solves the biggest issue

[twing]

stevemcs said:

Patch1875 said:

Had a couple of ‘offers’ for the new version of the Custom.

Smart looking van but retail of the diesel limited is £46K.

Will be keeping mines until it dies which may not be that long as it’s at 75k.

Get the wet belt done early and that solves the biggest issue

The new one doesn’t have a WB

[Teddy Lop]

stevemcs said:

Patch1875 said:

Had a couple of ‘offers’ for the new version of the Custom.

Smart looking van but retail of the diesel limited is £46K.

Will be keeping mines until it dies which may not be that long as it’s at 75k.

Get the wet belt done early and that solves the biggest issue

Isn't it a majar job requiring removal and dismantling of the engine?

Heck even the somewhat restricted inspection of the belt is a convoluted joke from what I understand

[stevemcs]

Its under a day to do it, biggest pain is getting the water pump out. Budget £1400, thats with genuine parts, new chain cover, sump, belts, water pump etc.

[stevemcs]

twing said:

The new one doesn’t have a WB

I was referring to the current van