Books: A Song of Ice and Fire [SPOILERS]

Books: A Song of Ice and Fire [SPOILERS]

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ali_kat

31,988 posts

221 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Yes

Dragonstone, middle of a huge storm.... The birth killed her mother etc

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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ali_kat said:
Yes

Dragonstone, middle of a huge storm.... The birth killed her mother etc
According to? Where are there discrepancies in Dani's memeroies of her early life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-u2gUM4Vvc

It makes sense.

JagLover

42,397 posts

235 months

Saturday 25th June 2016
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L+R=J is the obvious answer but sometimes the obvious can be wrong and GRRM likes to surprise us.

One of his themes is the unreliability of history. How do we know Dany's origins?, anyone who was there for the birth is dead or not around.

There is also the fact that Jon doesn't look anything like half Targaryen and show Lyanna also has light hair (though not blonde).

It would also fit with Melisandre continually identifying the wrong "prince that was promised". What if it is Dany and hers is the song of ice and fire.

Finally there is the very good point that GRRM always writes something for a reason and so Dany's childhood memories of the house with a red door, outside which a lemon tree grew, should be significant. The official story though is that she was in Braavos at the time, but when we see Arya go to Braavos she notices that there are no trees in Braavos.

In this story L+R=D and Brandon+Ashara=Jon (B+A=J)

This may be over thinking things and reading far too much into fragments of knowledge (like many of Preston's videos), but it is at the very least a viable alternative to L+R=J.




Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Saturday 25th June 2016
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Yeah, I think one of Martin's main motifs is, history is unreliable.
He also likes his books to reward multiple readings, which lends itself to deductive reasoning.

ali_kat

31,988 posts

221 months

Saturday 25th June 2016
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Halb said:
According to? Where are there discrepancies in Dani's memeroies of her early life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-u2gUM4Vvc

It makes sense.
Dany wouldn't remember being born, her brother did however

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Saturday 25th June 2016
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ali_kat said:
Dany wouldn't remember being born, her brother did however
Have you watched the videos? Viserys isn't really a solid gold reliable type. biggrin

ali_kat

31,988 posts

221 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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No, I don't watch YouTube fan theories, I'll read stuff but prefer the 'official' info in the books

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Sunday 26th June 2016
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ali_kat said:
No, I don't watch YouTube fan theories, I'll read stuff but prefer the 'official' info in the books
THere is a lot of waffle out there, tis true...however saying that. GRR has written the story like a history, and stuff is explicit and stuff is implicit, and he has said it'll need multiple reads. This Preston fella has simply sifted through the millions of words, and tried to piece patches on info together. I've looked at a lot of fan videos, most are ste and are the sort of tripe I could come up with, but Prston and maybe one or two others have had a Holsmian/COlumbo attitude and glued pieces together. Martin is King of the unreliable narrator. Right now R+L=J is just a theory, as is R+L=D, and the latter stands up as a theory stronger to we have in the books.
I would say, at least watch the Tower of Joy and the more recent Ned and Asharar vids, they are solid.

edit to add, at least please watch those vids before arbitrarily dismissing one theory for another? wink

richtea78

5,574 posts

158 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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I've got to the point where I'm not interested in reading theories anymore. I've done it for years and most of them are wrong.

I'm diverting the time into other things, other stories rather than trying to guess what's going to happen. The Hodor thing was a tipping point for me, there's a master plan, it will be revealed when it's ready.

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Yeah, I've got the point where I'm happy that some stuf will be revealed and some won't.

Stuff like who started the war of the five kings won't be resolved since most are dead and it's important in the big scheme. I reckon the show will be the same as the books on some stuff and will be different on some stuff, rather cool for those who like it all ways. biggrin

Next time I read the books though...I shall bloody concentrate. D:

ali_kat

31,988 posts

221 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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Sorry Halb, I watched & listened to (with the sound up high!) to the latest offering instead wink

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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ali_kat said:
Sorry Halb, I watched & listened to (with the sound up high!) to the latest offering instead wink
The Dorne one? biggrin

ali_kat

31,988 posts

221 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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The TV one smile

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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ali_kat said:
The TV one smile
laugh

Oh that one...it was good, but I feel a lil let down at aspects.

ali_kat

31,988 posts

221 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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I'm not surprised wink

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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ali_kat said:
I'm not surprised wink
Ha! Not for the reason you think.
In fact, that theory mentioned above, was strengthened slightly... tongue out

ali_kat

31,988 posts

221 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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No, it wasn't - sorry.

Watch it again with the sound up

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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ali_kat said:
No, it wasn't - sorry.

Watch it again with the sound up
No apology needed, I've watched it twice! biggrin

edit to add, I've just out the sustitles on!! ...Just in case!! biggrin

Edited by Halb on Monday 27th June 22:03

Halb

53,012 posts

183 months

Monday 27th June 2016
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OK, you're right!!!!

getmecoat

ali_kat

31,988 posts

221 months

Tuesday 28th June 2016
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Sorry ;( xxx