Books: A Song of Ice and Fire [SPOILERS]
Discussion
Timeline is a little out. Robb is older than Jon. The only way it works is if Lyanna isn't the mother and that would mean that Eddard lied when he said "you have my blood". He might of lied but I doubt it and most people don't think he did either.
Also it doesn't work for another reason. Why would it be such a secret? Robert has loads of b
ds. 16 I think. I don't think he would have kept it a secret.
He does have the black hair though
Also it doesn't work for another reason. Why would it be such a secret? Robert has loads of b
ds. 16 I think. I don't think he would have kept it a secret. He does have the black hair though
So R+L=JS is Robert! Could be, black of hair etc, and Ned went away to war with Rob and came back with a baby. 
Mikita's Manager, Glen: You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body.
richtea78 said:
Heres me theory. The wound wasnt smoking, it was steaming. Its cold at the wall. The blood is warm, it might steam. That sounds plausible.
Indeed. I just watched Wayne's World. D:Mikita's Manager, Glen: You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body.
IVe not read the first book so missing the history/time line from there. Im guessing Ned took Jon as Lys couldnt prove who the father to be. If it was Rob and Rhy was successful, hed kill the baby and vice versa.
You also see a similar act with Sam, the wildling and Mances son under orders from Jon
You also see a similar act with Sam, the wildling and Mances son under orders from Jon
You are missing quite a bit of the story in relation to this.
Whilst Ned is recovering from his leg injury he has a dream about one of the battles at the end of the previous War.
Basically he is attacking a Tower with a few others (Howloon Reed is now the only survivor of this fight still alive) and inside the Tower is Lyanna. She is imprisoned by 3 of the Kings Guard including (the name escapes me Arthur Dayne?) 2 of them are meant to be the most powerful warriors of the Kings Guard. Anyway Ned and his forces win although only a couple are alive by this point as the defenders take a huge toll on them. When they get inside they find Lyanna on a bed covered in blood and her final words in the dream are "Promise me Ned" then she dies.
The theory is that Lyanna and Rhaegar were in love and had eloped. If she was a prisoner why would she have had Kings Guard guarding her? She had them there because they were guarding Rhaegar's heir (Jon!) Lyanna is the only person Ned at that point would of cared about more than his own honour.
There is stacks of info on this around various websites either supporting or debunking it.
Whilst Ned is recovering from his leg injury he has a dream about one of the battles at the end of the previous War.
Basically he is attacking a Tower with a few others (Howloon Reed is now the only survivor of this fight still alive) and inside the Tower is Lyanna. She is imprisoned by 3 of the Kings Guard including (the name escapes me Arthur Dayne?) 2 of them are meant to be the most powerful warriors of the Kings Guard. Anyway Ned and his forces win although only a couple are alive by this point as the defenders take a huge toll on them. When they get inside they find Lyanna on a bed covered in blood and her final words in the dream are "Promise me Ned" then she dies.
The theory is that Lyanna and Rhaegar were in love and had eloped. If she was a prisoner why would she have had Kings Guard guarding her? She had them there because they were guarding Rhaegar's heir (Jon!) Lyanna is the only person Ned at that point would of cared about more than his own honour.
There is stacks of info on this around various websites either supporting or debunking it.
richtea78 said:
That's important but not as important as the bit right at the end the guy right at the end was referred to as The Night King, which is a pretty fking huge spoiler if you know about the legend. Kind of implies a lot as well
I don't know about him, but now I wanna read. Where does this stuff come from?king huge spoiler if you know about the legend. Kind of implies a lot as well It was a big WTF moment! I was only reading on ASOIAF the other day some crackpot (as I thought it) idea of where the WWalkers come from....ha to me!
Don't get all snippy about spoilers
It's in a Storm of Swords, bran is talking about one of Old Nans stories
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night's_King
If it true it could have huge implications. My speculation is it could mean Bran will become evil and Jon Snow might end up killing him.
It's in a Storm of Swords, bran is talking about one of Old Nans stories
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night's_King
If it true it could have huge implications. My speculation is it could mean Bran will become evil and Jon Snow might end up killing him.
richtea78 said:
Don't get all snippy about spoilers
It's in a Storm of Swords, bran is talking about one of Old Nans stories
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night's_King
If it true it could have huge implications. My speculation is it could mean Bran will become evil and Jon Snow might end up killing him.
I didn't mention fIt's in a Storm of Swords, bran is talking about one of Old Nans stories
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night's_King
If it true it could have huge implications. My speculation is it could mean Bran will become evil and Jon Snow might end up killing him.
king spoilers.I now vaguely recall the story in one of the Wall's castles.
I had my own idea about Bran becoming...well not evil, but the opposing force to the fire/light God that the red woman and others are backing. It's just sides in the end.
Edited by Halb on Monday 28th April 22:40
richtea78 said:
Not you, I was just adding it in case anyone else did pre emptying it
Mega excited now.
I realise I am now....because it's all new....crafty HBO fMega excited now.
kers.So what did they put on the HBO site? I saw something on fb earlier about the three eyed crow and an explanation but didn't click on it because I hadn't seen the episode. So when the big reveal was a WW turn...I was genuinely...er wtf?
But am not keen on the idea of all the WWs being once human.
An extract from when Gilly wanted Sam to save her from Crasters Keep
Gilly was crying. 'Me and the babe. Please. I'll be your wife, like I was Craster's. Please, ser crow. He's a boy, just like Nella said he'd be. If you don't take him, they will.
'They?' said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, 'They. They. They.'
Gilly was crying. 'Me and the babe. Please. I'll be your wife, like I was Craster's. Please, ser crow. He's a boy, just like Nella said he'd be. If you don't take him, they will.
'They?' said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, 'They. They. They.'
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