Books: A Song of Ice and Fire [SPOILERS]
Discussion
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Halb, I dont know how far into the books so I will try not to spoil much but the dragons in Westeros arent typical fantasy dragons imo. They havent been around for a long time and there was never many of them at any one time. I think its a very long time since there were any really powerful dragons as it is stated in the first book that the later dragons were all smaller as a result of being bred in captivity.I think this is even mentioned in the tv show when Visyerys is in the bath with Danys pleasure maid but there were nice boobs in the scene so I wasnt paying attention necessarily!
There are also a limited number of eggs around. There were the 3 that Dany has, 2 others are mentioned in the prequal stories and it is implied that each of the Targaryan children were given one on their birth. Melisandre hints that there are several in Asshai. I think there is also one at the Wall that belongs to Maester Aemon and vaguely recal speculation that he gives it to Jon as he believes that Jon is a Targaeryan because of R+L however this is wild speculation.
My point is that I dont think the dragons could be a block on technological advancement. Also it is mentioned in the second and later books that the alchemists are kind of scientists, they have the liquid fire and Im sure I read something about gunpowder type stuff at one point.
Not spoilers - the following is speculation!
Incidentally, if R+L does = J then that means Jon is related to Dany, Rhaegar was Danys elder brother and allegedly Jons father therefore they are cousins? That wouldnt necessarily preclude the theory that they will marry though given that the Targs used to marry brother to sister.
Someone also mentioned what would happen if GRRM dies before finishing the books. He was asked about this by a fan because hes old and fat so people are worried about this, which I thought was very rude but he didnt seem that bothered. He has written drafts of the remaining plot and these would be used to finish the books in the event he doesnt. He has apparently written several bits from the last 2 books already and has arranged with another author to finish them (speculation is its Joe Abercrombie but he wont confirm, could also be Gaiman as they are very friendly)
I also found a very funny line on penny arcade where fans were moaning about the 1 year wait for the next series
Halb, I dont know how far into the books so I will try not to spoil much but the dragons in Westeros arent typical fantasy dragons imo. They havent been around for a long time and there was never many of them at any one time. I think its a very long time since there were any really powerful dragons as it is stated in the first book that the later dragons were all smaller as a result of being bred in captivity.I think this is even mentioned in the tv show when Visyerys is in the bath with Danys pleasure maid but there were nice boobs in the scene so I wasnt paying attention necessarily!
There are also a limited number of eggs around. There were the 3 that Dany has, 2 others are mentioned in the prequal stories and it is implied that each of the Targaryan children were given one on their birth. Melisandre hints that there are several in Asshai. I think there is also one at the Wall that belongs to Maester Aemon and vaguely recal speculation that he gives it to Jon as he believes that Jon is a Targaeryan because of R+L however this is wild speculation.
My point is that I dont think the dragons could be a block on technological advancement. Also it is mentioned in the second and later books that the alchemists are kind of scientists, they have the liquid fire and Im sure I read something about gunpowder type stuff at one point.
Not spoilers - the following is speculation!
Incidentally, if R+L does = J then that means Jon is related to Dany, Rhaegar was Danys elder brother and allegedly Jons father therefore they are cousins? That wouldnt necessarily preclude the theory that they will marry though given that the Targs used to marry brother to sister.
Someone also mentioned what would happen if GRRM dies before finishing the books. He was asked about this by a fan because hes old and fat so people are worried about this, which I thought was very rude but he didnt seem that bothered. He has written drafts of the remaining plot and these would be used to finish the books in the event he doesnt. He has apparently written several bits from the last 2 books already and has arranged with another author to finish them (speculation is its Joe Abercrombie but he wont confirm, could also be Gaiman as they are very friendly)
I also found a very funny line on penny arcade where fans were moaning about the 1 year wait for the next series
said:
Oh my sweet series child. What do you know of waiting? Waiting is for the long night, when GRRM hides for years and children are born and live and die all before the next book comes out.
Made me smile
Ta....really need to buy the first book. I only skim read this thread.
richtea78 said:
omeone also mentioned what would happen if GRRM dies before finishing the books. He was asked about this by a fan because hes old and fat so people are worried about this, which I thought was very rude but he didnt seem that bothered. He has written drafts of the remaining plot and these would be used to finish the books in the event he doesnt. He has apparently written several bits from the last 2 books already and has arranged with another author to finish them (speculation is its Joe Abercrombie but he wont confirm, could also be Gaiman as they are very friendly)
Gaiman would be good, I like the Sandman. Gaiman is also a friend/collaborator of TP as well.IainT said:
How are we getting to Jon not being Eddard Stark's b
d?
Its a very popular theory, fueled by the fact that in the TV show Ned only says "you have my blood" and the producers of the show have seen the overall story arcs that GRRM is working to. d?Iain, if you want to know more about it
http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Entry/2291/
It does contain spoilers though if you are up to book 4 its safe.
richtea78 said:
Its a very popular theory, fueled by the fact that in the TV show Ned only says "you have my blood" and the producers of the show have seen the overall story arcs that GRRM is working to.
That quote is pretty unambiguous by Ned then. It could be taken to indicate that Jon may not be Ned's son BUT they are related 'by blood'.We also find out, from a fairly certain source who Jon's mother was.
I'd also go with book > screenplay.
Oh do you mean Arya when Edric Storm tells her that her and Jon had the same wet nurse? I dispute that because it says they are milk brothers, it is possible that Wylla nursed Jon because Lyanna is dead, therefore he would need milk nursing.
More discussion of it here
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.ht...
More discussion of it here
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.ht...
richtea78 said:
Oh do you mean Arya when Edric Storm tells her that her and Jon had the same wet nurse? I dispute that because it says they are milk brothers, it is possible that Wylla nursed Jon because Lyanna is dead, therefore he would need milk nursing.
More discussion of it here
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.ht...
No, defiantely Jon's biological mother not wet nurse.More discussion of it here
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.ht...
Skipping the thread to avoid spoilers but I'm afraid I'm going to have to play the Dan Brown card here.
I've now read about 1/3 of the first book and, while he has a fine line in plot twists, the man cannot write for love nor money.
"the dragon skulls stared down, sightlessly.". No st, Sherlock. Hardly an effort to put the words "seemed to" or "appeared to", is it. Atrocious writing.
Very disappointed so far.
As a side note, given that I'm loving the TV story thus far, I'd appreciate any replies quoted me, if only for one letter, just so I can avoid spoilers and focus on highlighted posts. Ta
I've now read about 1/3 of the first book and, while he has a fine line in plot twists, the man cannot write for love nor money.
"the dragon skulls stared down, sightlessly.". No s
t, Sherlock. Hardly an effort to put the words "seemed to" or "appeared to", is it. Atrocious writing.Very disappointed so far.
As a side note, given that I'm loving the TV story thus far, I'd appreciate any replies quoted me, if only for one letter, just so I can avoid spoilers and focus on highlighted posts. Ta
Edited by Famous Graham on Wednesday 29th June 03:07
"they were slaves, a gift from one of the Magister's many Dothraki friends. There was no slavery in the free city of Pentos. Nonetheless they were slaves."
What?
Forget my post above. I'm giving up.
I never thought a TV show or film could trump a written account, but there's obviously always a first time.
What?
Forget my post above. I'm giving up.
I never thought a TV show or film could trump a written account, but there's obviously always a first time.
Horses for courses. I enjoy his writing style and the way he portrays things. There are always going to be parts of books that you dont agree with how it is written. If the book is that bad and you are so much better please go ahead and write a novel or 2 for us and gain worldwide cult status as a fantasy writer. Its obviously not difficult is it?!?!?!?!?!
What he is saying in that statement isabout slavery is that although they are not viewed as slaves their social status means they are little more than slaves in practice. They were slaves before and given to a society that doesnt practice slavery as a rule but they are unable to rise above the station they were born into. Not difficult really and a little more concise than my wordy effort.
What he is saying in that statement isabout slavery is that although they are not viewed as slaves their social status means they are little more than slaves in practice. They were slaves before and given to a society that doesnt practice slavery as a rule but they are unable to rise above the station they were born into. Not difficult really and a little more concise than my wordy effort.
oj121 said:
Care to elaborate on your book?
I tried to write one and got an intro incident written but lacked the time and focus to follow it through. Still a lifetime goal to write one though.
I have always planned to, but been too lazy to follow-though. Last year I heard aboot a competition that was backed by Terry Pratchett and his publishers, I decided to enter, but when I found out aboot it, it was September and I only had four months to write a minimum of 80,000 words. The criteria was that it had to be set in an alternative Earth. It ties in with his new science fiction novels. I managed to get 60,000 words done by the start of Dec, but a flooding, job problems and relationship issues stopped me finishing, it all got a bit hectic in my head as well. The story falls broadly into the below categories.I tried to write one and got an intro incident written but lacked the time and focus to follow it through. Still a lifetime goal to write one though.
It is set a few years ago during the Iraq war, and is roughly aboot a bunch of Devil Summoning Bikers who take over a village pub. And the situation that arises between the protagonist, a lad who works at a scrap yard and his mates are brought into opposition by the actions of the bikers (they destroy scrapyards as a macguffin) and the power struggle that occurs. It's comedic...or attempting it. It is very much the real world, like Good Omens, and so it is low fantasy as well as a bit paranormal. I am utilising elements from the paranormal after I struck up a correspondence with Lionel Fanthorpe last year, I basically wrote it as I thought of it, including the plot, hence I almost had a writers breakdown in December and had to take a break from it.
I planned to return to it in Match...still not touched it as of yet...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_fiction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_fantasy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal_fiction#Pa...
Back on topic latest rumours are now Christopher Ecclestone will be involved in Season 2, possibly as Stannis. Someone has suggested Guy Pearce may also be under consideration. Ecclestone would be very interesting as I think he is a great actor, not seen Guy Pearce much lately so not sure.
Katee Sackhoff is being touted as Briene but I cant see it, she isnt big or butch enough. I hope they dont pretty her up too much.
Oh and Amazon Germany have shipped A Dance with Dragons already, so be very careful for spoilers for the next few weeks! GRRM has asked for the 180 people who got a copy not to spoil it although some people are leaking fake spoilers in the style of "Snape kills Dumbledore" only with less angst and upset emo kids
Katee Sackhoff is being touted as Briene but I cant see it, she isnt big or butch enough. I hope they dont pretty her up too much.
Oh and Amazon Germany have shipped A Dance with Dragons already, so be very careful for spoilers for the next few weeks! GRRM has asked for the 180 people who got a copy not to spoil it although some people are leaking fake spoilers in the style of "Snape kills Dumbledore" only with less angst and upset emo kids
Famous Graham said:
"they were slaves, a gift from one of the Magister's many Dothraki friends. There was no slavery in the free city of Pentos. Nonetheless they were slaves."
What?
Forget my post above. I'm giving up.
I never thought a TV show or film could trump a written account, but there's obviously always a first time.
You were wrong about the show when you called it derivative and predictable. I think you are also wrong about this. Either you are prone to making snappy decisions or you deliberately wanted to find something to moan about on it?What?
Forget my post above. I'm giving up.
I never thought a TV show or film could trump a written account, but there's obviously always a first time.
The books are excellent and many authors rate his work very highly. Either you have exceptionally high standards, in which case you might want to steer clear of everything written since Tolkien, or you are deliberately trolling.
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