Books: A Song of Ice and Fire [SPOILERS]

[Halb]

Just with you saying Bran might turnout to be evil.

Though the Others and the CotF don't seem to get on...seems Leaf is cast?
http://winteriscoming.net/2013/11/13/octavia-alexa...
Episode 9/10 I reckon...will Bran have met them...no Coldhands?

The 7 might be a scam by the Maesters to subvert power away from the otherworldly powers. Then there is the Drowned God, just worshipped by a bunch of drunk Vikings. D

[BlackST]

I posted this in the Game of Thrones program thread last night.
Bid of background regarding the Nights Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2TQHjo3xzQ

[lemmingjames]

Did Sam meet Cold Hands?

As weve not had the WW descend on Crasters yet, with JS & Co. riding out to them i doubt we will see this scene as well

[Halb]

richtea78 said:

hinking about this more but what do you mean doesn't interfere with the main story?

Well we know JS's arc up until DwD. He does all his stuff at the Wall and then gets stabbed/killed.
Him wandering off to Crasters to kill a few turncoats (whether he meets Bran or not...I don't think he will) then he comes back to the Wall. It could almost have happened in the books like a hidden story. It won't really change any big outcome. I see it as stretching out Bran's story to allow catch-up.

[richtea78]

Ah yeah I get you now! I have spent so long reading different theories I was expecting you to say you had some wild theory about what was the main story!

[ukbabz]

Halb said:

Well we know JS's arc up until DwD. He does all his stuff at the Wall and then gets stabbed/killed.
Him wandering off to Crasters to kill a few turncoats (whether he meets Bran or not...I don't think he will) then he comes back to the Wall. It could almost have happened in the books like a hidden story. It won't really change any big outcome. I see it as stretching out Bran's story to allow catch-up.

Am wondering whether we'll see JS having a fight with a WW and killing one with Longclaw.. Answering whether Valyrian steel works well against them from the books - also giving an opportunity for JS to get injured before the assault on the wall.

[richtea78]

Thats a pretty good call actually. Although some people do dispute that Longclaw is genuinely Valyrian steel. Jorah Mormon was exciled for selling slaves, if he was that desperate for money he could probably have got a lot more for selling a genuine Valyrian Steel sword. House Lannister had been desperate to get their hands on one since theirs had been lost and House Mormont isnt even one of the major Houses so it would be a bit unusual for them to have one.

[Halb]

It is, but I doubt we'll see any WW in the next episode.

I think the thing about VS is that it is unique and cannot be bought/sold because by the customs of the place it would be unthinkable (guest rights and other things), even if you had to sell a kidney for cash, you'd still keep your VS sword because it's a bleedin' VS sword innnit!
I think Mormont's house was once great but fell into decline? I also reckon the North would have a greater portion of VS swords.

edit
love these con chats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQkHLDhmSNE

'nother edit.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/04/game-of-t...

Edited by Halb on Wednesday 30th April 13:43

[ukbabz]

richtea78 said:

Thats a pretty good call actually. Although some people do dispute that Longclaw is genuinely Valyrian steel. Jorah Mormon was exciled for selling slaves, if he was that desperate for money he could probably have got a lot more for selling a genuine Valyrian Steel sword. House Lannister had been desperate to get their hands on one since theirs had been lost and House Mormont isnt even one of the major Houses so it would be a bit unusual for them to have one.

I hadn't seen that theory - I always bought into the view he was still proud to be a Mormont and when he fell into shame he returned the sword to his father. Hee only sold slaves to keep his love in fine clothes - when it came to that and his family honour he kept the sword. I'd be surprised if Joer or Donal Noye (Castle Black blacksmith who reforge the handle from a bear to wolf for Jon) didn't notice it wasn't Valyrian steel.

[GarryDK]

Ok I am really confused. Stuff that is happening in ADWD seems to be happening before AFFC. Notably Jon’s Story and Samwell’s.

[Halb]

The timeline in the books isn't linear. It jumps around a bit due to the nature of the telling, POV chapters.
I don't think Jon's storyline (to become LC) has even started yet. We haven't had the battle at the wall yet.
I reckon after he deals with the oathbreakers he'll spot the Wilding army and race back just in time to help defend the Wall.

[Halb]

Head...mashed...
http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.se/...

[richtea78]

Halb said:

Head...mashed...
http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.se/...

Jesus. I'm not going to discount his theory but it does require a lot of small changes to make it fit.

[Halb]

richtea78 said:

Jesus. I'm not going to discount his theory but it does require a lot of small changes to make it fit.

You've read it already?
I think something that might make it wrong is Jojen, I had to go looking, but Jojen has a sight of his own end at Greywater Watch.
What else is there?

[richtea78]

Lots. He says that the seven represent the Norse a Gods but then he says the Norse found three and nine lucky. He calls it a small change but it's one of several. You can make anything fit anything if you make enough small changes. Cumulatively they add up to a huge change

[Halb]

The seven are the false Gods, the Norse Gods are the characters in the book.
I'm not buying into it, but the connections seem crazy.

[richtea78]

My cats called Loki

I don't know enough about Norse mythology to know if it's right of wrong but it just felt like he saying if you make a little change here and a little change there it fits

[BlackST]

An interesting read.
Do you think it will happen that way?
I'd hate to see the books be made that predictable.

[Alapeno]

I think people get a bit too carried away with these things. I don't know enough about Norse mythology to check any of his facts, but it seems like he's bending the story slightly to fit - some links more tenuous than others. It is quite a compelling read though, if a bit tin-foil.

I think a more likely explanation would be that GRRM, like most authors, took inspiration from mythology and history and made his own story out of certain aspects. There's bound to be parallels but I really don't think GRRM would keep it so predictable that exactly the same story happens. Or so I hope.

[richtea78]

In the other thread someone has put "Locke will obviously fail at killing Jon Snow" but I am thinking I am not so sure he will. It could be that Locke will be the one who kills him instead of the rest of the Watch?