Books: A Song of Ice and Fire [SPOILERS]
Discussion
richtea78 said:
Halb, in the other thread you said a bit in book 2 shocked you, which bit was it? I am trying to rack my brains but cant think which of many events it could have been 
Theon and what he did to the kids. I was pretty miffed. Obviously Martin has showed any character can get 'done in', but when I read that I was thinking all the way through, it has to be a rouse on Theon's part, although it went on for a bit. Martin is pretty good at the bait'n'switch (Tyrion's slattern captured by Cersei etc), but I couldn’t tell, was quite relieved when the chapter ended and what really happened was revealed. That chapater was one of those, ‘no, it can’t be, can it?’ ones
richtea78 said:
Oh yeah, I forgot about that, pretty s
tty but it all turns out good.
Keep reading
I shall...I am marching through book 3 pt 2 and came to another point where again it almost went through the wall.tty but it all turns out good. Keep reading
I like the fact that no-one is sacred but not someone you have invested huge amount of time and emotion building the saga of.
Ayra's storey has been up and down like a yo-yo. The betrayal at the Twins was shocking (but expected, also there had been less and less chapters aboot Robb recently, perhaps a away to lessen the blow?) but what happened at the end of the next chapter almost had me saying, 'enough with this s
t!'. Although as with the boys I thought it was a rouse, but still had to flick through later chapters to check her name was still heading them! Once that was confirmed, I was a bit happy, still sad to see two Starks go, but Rob was becoming too knobbish and I have never liked Cat. And if it's one thing I have learned that I knew from the first books...trust the bloody direwolves!!!...even so...quite disheartening.Comments;
I notice every now and then a name that makes me think of Tolkien, might be my own imagination, coincidence or a nod to the Father of the modern Epic.
I haven't changed my opinion of anyone yet, the ones I liked at the beginning (that aren't dead) I still like and ditto the knobs and
s. (I have a ranking system of where people go)The story reminds me of Tolkien's first age stories (Turin and the like), a lot of heartache, tragedy and geasa. I half expect
He does love that 'taken in the rear' line when referring to military tactics, he surely must have chuckle everytime he uses it?
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Have to say am rather pleased that I knew who Arstan was straight away, just read the confirmation
Edited by Halb on Sunday 24th July 21:12
I've been avoiding this thread while I read Dance with Dragons - finished it last night.
What an ending! It makes sense, given what would have happened otherwise, but I certainly wasn't expecting it! Though I can't help but wonder if they'll bring him back anyway - for all that he kills people off readily, GRRM certainly doesn't seem to have any qualms about pretending to do it or bringing people back from the dead.
And is it me, or was this book completely dominated by people going by fake names? I swear half of the characters were pretending to be different people.
What an ending! It makes sense, given what would have happened otherwise, but I certainly wasn't expecting it! Though I can't help but wonder if they'll bring him back anyway - for all that he kills people off readily, GRRM certainly doesn't seem to have any qualms about pretending to do it or bringing people back from the dead.
And is it me, or was this book completely dominated by people going by fake names? I swear half of the characters were pretending to be different people.
WOw, just finished Storm of Swords:Blood and Gold.
Almost can't describe it, it twists and turns like a twisty turny thing.
Al the strands end on such cliffhangers, I called the Petyr/Lysa thing which I was please at, and the Tyrion chapter balanced the laws of justice with the red wedding. And then we had the epilogue....shame aboot Grey Wind, always sad when one of the direwolves goes. If they hadn't done that he could have got the Thoros treatment maybe?
Jon Snow's story is really getting rolling as well. I finished he book and went to get my paws on Feast for Crows but then I realised I never bought it because I didn't think I would read through them...doh!
Fave characters that are still alive are Tyrion, Danny, and am starting to like Jon and Sam.
Almost can't describe it, it twists and turns like a twisty turny thing.
Al the strands end on such cliffhangers, I called the Petyr/Lysa thing which I was please at, and the Tyrion chapter balanced the laws of justice with the red wedding. And then we had the epilogue....shame aboot Grey Wind, always sad when one of the direwolves goes. If they hadn't done that he could have got the Thoros treatment maybe?
Jon Snow's story is really getting rolling as well. I finished he book and went to get my paws on Feast for Crows but then I realised I never bought it because I didn't think I would read through them...doh!
Fave characters that are still alive are Tyrion, Danny, and am starting to like Jon and Sam.
I'm still pushing on with AFfC. I think the reason I'm not into it as much is that the previous books have followed the same characters, and it's been a fairly linear arc. This is - so far - focussed on characters we've not met before, and I feel like it's somewhat out of place. I'm not far in so I'm hoping it changes. I would like to get back to the story of the 'familiar faces', I haven't really got much interest in the characters in AFfC so far.
Funk said:
I'm still pushing on with AFfC. I think the reason I'm not into it as much is that the previous books have followed the same characters, and it's been a fairly linear arc. This is - so far - focussed on characters we've not met before, and I feel like it's somewhat out of place. I'm not far in so I'm hoping it changes. I would like to get back to the story of the 'familiar faces', I haven't really got much interest in the characters in AFfC so far.
I have to admit that U struggled with the first few chapters, but once I got into the ones I knew, it rattled along, almost finished now.Some thoughts;
Disliked the Ironborn stories to begin, don't mind if they all get washed out to sea, or die of the pox. But the dragon horn might make them interesting again, as does attacking the Reach.
The Dorne story took a while to get into, but by now you realise Prince of Dorne is a tactician superior perhaps to even Tywin, he really does play the long game, and his revelations aboot his daughters betrothed were intriguing.
Little finger's plots almost seem to yank the entire realm into action. Is he perhaps the most snide and cunning of anyone inn Westeros?
Most gratifying to know the real reasons behind Arryn's death, and nice to see how false stories spread on actions we know the truth to (because they have happened in the story).
Cersei is a major slattern...
Martin like to pay homage (reference/fun?) other works, for the befit if his readers perhaps? Keep seeing ones for Tolkien, a couple for Gormenghast, one for Pirates of the Caribbean. Made me smile when I saw the blue beetle and the green arrow in the same sentence, a fan of DC? And also Symond Templton, did he enjoy the Saint?
There are probably others that I do not recognise.Sometimes I feel his writing misses out the introduction of a character, or a prop, and I find myself rereading the previous passage to see when they appeared. A bit irritating. I am also a bit irritated when we have so many good chapters on some like the siege of Riverrun, and then all of a sudden it's breakup is mentioned in one throwaway line in another chapter aboot Dorne...
The scope of the story just keeps getting bigger, 800 pages and so much has happened, and yet not that much
Halb said:
Funk said:
I'm still pushing on with AFfC. I think the reason I'm not into it as much is that the previous books have followed the same characters, and it's been a fairly linear arc. This is - so far - focussed on characters we've not met before, and I feel like it's somewhat out of place. I'm not far in so I'm hoping it changes. I would like to get back to the story of the 'familiar faces', I haven't really got much interest in the characters in AFfC so far.
I have to admit that I struggled with the first few chapters, but once I got into the ones I knew, it rattled along, almost finished now.Some thoughts;
Disliked the Ironborn stories to begin, don't mind if they all get washed out to sea, or die of the pox. But the dragon horn might make them interesting again, as does attacking the Reach.
The Dorne story took a while to get into, but by now you realise Prince of Dorne is a tactician superior perhaps to even Tywin, he really does play the long game, and his revelations aboot his daughters betrothed were intriguing.
Little finger's plots almost seem to yank the entire realm into action. Is he perhaps the most snide and cunning of anyone inn Westeros?
Most gratifying to know the real reasons behind Arryn's death, and nice to see how false stories spread on actions we know the truth to (because they have happened in the story).
Cersei is a major slattern...
Martin like to pay homage (reference/fun?) other works, for the befit if his readers perhaps? Keep seeing ones for Tolkien, a couple for Gormenghast, one for Pirates of the Caribbean. Made me smile when I saw the blue beetle and the green arrow in the same sentence, a fan of DC? And also Symond Templton, did he enjoy the Saint?
There are probably others that I do not recognise.Sometimes I feel his writing misses out the introduction of a character, or a prop, and I find myself rereading the previous passage to see when they appeared. A bit irritating. I am also a bit irritated when we have so many good chapters on some like the siege of Riverrun, and then all of a sudden it's breakup is mentioned in one throwaway line in another chapter aboot Dorne...
The scope of the story just keeps getting bigger, 800 pages and so much has happened, and yet not that much
oj121 said:
There are a few others that are floating for Stannis and are a much better fit IMO plus I also feel they are better/stronger actors.
Mark Strong
Richard Armitage
Rufus Sewell
are some of the other leading candidates. I feel Richard Armitage has would handle the role best out of those mentioned. Very much a brooding character.
I think Johnny Harris from the 'this is england' mini series would be perfect for stannisMark Strong
Richard Armitage
Rufus Sewell
are some of the other leading candidates. I feel Richard Armitage has would handle the role best out of those mentioned. Very much a brooding character.
Y282 said:
he's bloody stepping things up a bit. all getting a little more supernatural too.
I know. Because the first book had none (save for the prologue) it was kind of easy to forget that it was there at all, with all the maesters (keep thinking of Blackadder with that word) saying how it's all rubbish. The supernatural element certainly cranks ups a notch with each book.Halb said:
Y282 said:
he's bloody stepping things up a bit. all getting a little more supernatural too.
I know. Because the first book had none (save for the prologue) it was kind of easy to forget that it was there at all, with all the maesters (keep thinking of Blackadder with that word) saying how it's all rubbish. The supernatural element certainly cranks ups a notch with each book.Gassing Station | Books and Literature | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff