When Was Your Last Fight?

[mutt k]

About 18 years ago, Mrs K and I started our married life in a London basement flat with steps outside leading up from an area at the front to street level. Problem was that w@nkers kept coming down in to this area to pee on their way home. I confronted one such w@nker, told him that he as a pig and to ferk off. Got a headbutt and a black eye for my troubles!

After a mate had a bottle broken over his head last year, and I saw a couple of fights kick off for no good reason, I figured that the nutter quotient was getting too high, so I did six months training in Krav Maga, and then swapped to kickboxing which I am still doing.

I am not going to go looking for trouble, but if it finds me, then I feel rather more confident about being able to deal with it.

[roadsweeper]

Mrs Fish said:

minornut said: Do you mean because I didn't succeed i getting all five convicted! Ah, sorry, took it the wrong way

*tuts* You should try and think the best of people Mrs. Fish.

[cliffe_mafia]

roadsweeper said:

v8thunder said: I don't do fights - it shows you've got no reasoning skills. I'm afraid this is a generalisation and as such can be considered utter bollocks! Try telling that to my pacifist friend who was put in a coma over nothing. Yes, some people resort to violence as a way of life, others find themselves in unavoidable situations where it's fight or be a punchbag and possibly a corpse. I truly hope you never find yourself in such a situation, but if you do, you'll retract that statement very quickly I assure you. Peace!

Got to agree with roadsweeper.

If some drunken idiot come running over to you with fists flying you've 2 options - deck him first or run away!

[roadsweeper]

cliffe_mafia said:

If some drunken idiot come running over to you with fists flying you've 2 options - deck him first or run away!

Worst of all, sometimes you can't run away.

Anyway, no more discussing of the morality of fighting please, that's not what this thread is about. One more post like that from anyone and I'm going to 'go medieval' on them.

[pzero64]

Outside of sport, no. I have never had one. Only silly pushing, headlock type of things when I was younger.

About 20 years ago I was surprised by someone who hit me on the head with a metal pipe. I did not remember anything for a couple of minutes afterwards, but I got back to college and one of the lecturers took me to hospital. Got a £1,000 for that. Which was nice.


>> Edited by pzero64 on Thursday 25th November 17:13

[roadsweeper]

pzero64 said:

About 20 years ago I was surprised by someone who hit me on the head with a metal pipe. I don’t remember anything for a couple of minutes afterwards, but I got back to college and one of the lecturers took me to hospital. Got a £1,000 for that. Which was nice.

God, if only he had hit you forty times, you'd have been able to buy a TVR!

[v8thunder]

roadsweeper said:

v8thunder said: I don't do fights - it shows you've got no reasoning skills. I'm afraid this is a generalisation and as such can be considered utter bollocks! Try telling that to my pacifist friend who was put in a coma over nothing. Yes, some people resort to violence as a way of life, others find themselves in unavoidable situations where it's fight or be a punchbag and possibly a corpse. I truly hope you never find yourself in such a situation, but if you do, you'll retract that statement very quickly I assure you. Peace!

I know exactly what you mean - my cousin was put in hospital thanks to a gang assault for no reason.

What I meant to say was, if having a fight is their way of sorting things out, try and get them under the impression they can't win whatever it is they want. If they're adamand, walk away or be resourceful with whatever comes to hand - put it this way, if it bleeds, it's not a good weapon!

[lanciachris]

cliffe_mafia said:

If some drunken idiot come running over to you with fists flying you've 2 options - deck him first or run away!

Exactly. Ever tried reasoning with a drunken chav wanting a fight?

The 2 fights of my life have come from that way. Both of them have had a minimum of violence - first one a big gang came after me after i broke up a fight between them and a friend. The way i got out of that one was to knock the first one out and walked right through the middle of the rest of them - after seeing their friend decked none of them fancied being next.

Second one already described earlier in thread

[bigandclever]

Had seven shades beaten out of me by Naseem Hamed at Sheffield Boys during a 5 round, no rest, 'training' session. I was in bits for weeks after that. My mate made it all better by picking him up and putting him in a bin though

Most stupid 'fight' was when I was 18, driving around my home town. I saw a bloke dragging a woman across the road by her hair and figured I should get involved. Long and short of it is that I ran him over, not at any massive speed, but enough to catapult him about 10 foot. I got out to see if she was OK and she broke my nose with her handbag. Stupid tart - I left them to it.

Oh, and the time I was working in a bookies in Coventry and some nobhead went for me with an axe. That was interesting, I stuck one of those little biros in his eye. Soon stopped him.

Loads of other incidents, mainly from my youth... which is odd, because I'm a soft lump of shite really.

[roadsweeper]

v8thunder said:

I know exactly what you mean - my cousin was put in hospital thanks to a gang assault for no reason. What I meant to say was, if having a fight is their way of sorting things out, try and get them under the impression they can't win whatever it is they want. If they're adamand, walk away or be resourceful with whatever comes to hand - put it this way, if it bleeds, it's not a good weapon!

Fair enough.

The problem with using a weapon if you're not in fear of your life (in which case who cares about the consequences) is that if you seriously injure or even kill your attacker you will be convicted in a court of law. So, even if someone punches you in the face without provocation and you're terrified and as a result hit him with whatever nasty object comes to hand, you'll be deemed not to have used minimum force in defending yourself. If he dies, you could be done for murder or manslaughter.

As for knives, I've had one pulled on me and was attacked in that incident. I have no time for people who use knives in anything other than a life or death situation and would quite happily maim someone who pulled one on me.

[roadsweeper]

bigandclever said:

Most stupid 'fight' was when I was 18, driving around my home town. I saw a bloke dragging a woman across the road by her hair and figured I should get involved. Long and short of it is that I ran him over, not at any massive speed, but enough to catapult him about 10 foot. I got out to see if she was OK and she broke my nose with her handbag. Stupid tart - I left them to it.

Christ, what was she carrying in her handbah, cement?!

bigandclever said:

Oh, and the time I was working in a bookies in Coventry and some nobhead went for me with an axe. That was interesting, I stuck one of those little biros in his eye. Soon stopped him.

Good one! In that kind of situation strikes to the eyes, throat and groin with the hardest thing you can find are more than justified.

[bouffy]

In March (?) earlier this year, I went to see a bro at uni in oxford, and was picked up at the station by another brother who's in the Army. We all went out that evening, with some of my uni brother's friends, got totally sh*tfaced, danced, drank etc etc. All good times. We left a club at 2ish and started the walk back to little bro's halls of residence, via the kebab van, of course. As we walked out of the club, a group of 7/8 locals started following us, being generally abusive to the girls we were with, and calling them names...etc, nothing bad, just irritating really. Turned out that the girls had been given a fair bit of hassle in the club by t ese guys - "Why are you with them student w@nkers? What's wrong with us", and that sort of thing.

They followed us for about half a mile probably, down one of the main roads that heads out of Oxford towards Headington. By this time, younger student bro was kissing the face of a girl some 200 yards behind us, so army bro and myself positioned ourselves between the girls we were with and the locals behind us. The girls got further and further ahead, as we slowed the pace a bit, until the local scrotes were right behind us. They then started running their bike up and down my back.

I must have turned round 2 or 3 times and asked them to drop it. I was polite but firm, and frankly a bit worried that there were 7/8 of them, and only 2 of us. Anyway, this went on for a while, until Army bro could take it no longer. He spun round, had a word with one of them, and it all kicked off. It was only when it started getting going that I realised they were quite young (17? 18?) and were really no match for us. I'm 27, army bro is 25. We gave them a fair old pasting until I stopped it all by saying, "I'm 27 for f@cks sake! Go home!".

It all calmed down, then younger student bro (who had finally arrived on the scene) came running in and whacked one of them. Cue another fight...this was again going quite nicely in our favour, until one of them pushed student bro in front of a passing car - that's not cricket - which fortunately missed him. Army bro and I grabbed the toe rag responsible, and beat the living hell out of him until he started crying. Fortunately, 4 or 5 police cars arrived at the scene and split everyone up.

We were held 50 yards apart by probably 10 coppers. Us brothers sat on a wall and had a fag, and chatted with a really nice policeman. We covered all sorts - weather, football, cars, policing idiots like us on a friday night...he was a top guy. We had to show our knuckles to another copper who said the brilliant line, "Have you been fighting?" - sheesh, he should be a detective! Anyway, to cut a long and tedious story short, we were told to s*d off and go home. The copper said that it must have been a very strange fight - we had bust up knuckles, but had managed to walk away without being hit once (although younger bro had been kicked in the swede...but was absolutely fine), but the other lads had some quite bad injuries - couple of broken noses, one had a nasty gash across his face...blah blah. The police congratulated us on winning the latest round of town -v- gown bouts (he thought we were all students), and told us to go on our way. They arrested one of the other lot for stealing a bicycle. The one that he'd wheeled up and down my back, in fact.

We went on to the house party we were heading to, and as the 3 brothers walked in, we were met with a cacophony of applause form the girls (and boys) who had seen us in action. It felt pretty good actually, but my hands hurt like hell. Couldn't type for a week.

Have to agree with a lot of the posters here that I'm usually a pacifist. I'm quite big, so tend to be able to get out of these situations without resorting to violence, but these guys just pushed and pushed and pushed, until we snapped.

I do have to say though - I really, really enjoyed it.

edited to say - sh*t, this is long! Apologies! Got carried away there.

>> Edited by bouffy on Thursday 25th November 17:26

[roadsweeper]

mungo said:

roadsweeper said: used minimum force in defending yourself. The term is reasonable force rather than minimum in the circumstances... You've pretty much spelt out what it means though

Yeah, I know the wording from my Ju Jitsu days (was trained by a scouse copper), I just wanted to get across that reasonable generally means the minimum amount you could be expected to use, or 'proportionate' force. For example, if someone uses a weapon on you then I believe you are entitled to use a weapon to defend yourself?

[v8thunder]

roadsweeper said:

using a weapon if you're not in fear of your life (in which case who cares about the consequences)

You've answered your question - that's the only time I would fight.

On the whole I've got no time for people who fight or the types of trashy nightclub or chavvy pub they frequent. I've found myself in some of these places before and found myself unable to drink anything, as I had to be on my guard all the time. Not my idea of a good night out, personally.

If someone's just drunk and pushing and shoving a bit I just get out of their way. If they take it personally I have managed to talk a lot of people out of it before - people who I know have broken several noses and knocked a lot of people out before now.

Actually, I have remembered the last time I ended up in a fight. Coming home from high school once, this little scrote rode his bike into me, then started shouting 'you knocked me off your bike' etc and began lashing out. I took a few blows, then reached out, grabbed him by the collar and tipped him over a hedge.

But that's schoolboy stuff. You can win or lose that. If it really comes to blows in the 'grown-up' world, where more often than not you are fighting for your life, you have 3 choices - get out, win or face dire consequences.

But like I said, I just make a point of avoiding them completely.

[roadsweeper]

mungo said:

If you have to equate the force being used against you to defend yourself then you can justify it

Cool, that's what I thought.... so when was your last fight?

[groucho]

Nearly had one at work last Friday. Can't remember the last real one, maybe 2 or 3 years ago.
May have been more recent, dunno can't remember, my brains going. Must be punch drunk.

Grouch.

[iainjones]

Last fight was August bank holiday.
Was round a friends putting the world to rights, when her kid sister (17) came in having had many a skinful too many. After about 1/2hr of her becoming increasingly abusive and hostile she turned violent towards her sister. I got her (the kid sister) in a bear hug, once i thought she'd clamed down i let her go, but she turned on me.

Thankfully i was sober and calm else my temper would of snapped and her teeth would of droped out of her arse. Basically i took a beating, i do voluntary youth work at a local centre, and had the sense of mind to realise if i'd laid a finger on her aggresivly it would of gone on my CRB report.

Had to take time off work cos of the bruising etc, spoke to the police, they laughed at me.

Once my friends had torn the kid off me, she went on to trash the family's garage and garden before she passed out with the alcohol.

Regards
Iain

edited to add...my and my 2 younger brothers regularly beat the 7 colours out of eachother until we all became teenagers, but now one else was allowed to...brotherly 'love' i guess!

>> Edited by iainjones on Thursday 25th November 18:02

[raftom]

mutt k said:

After a mate had a bottle broken over his head last year, and I saw a couple of fights kick off for no good reason, I figured that the nutter quotient was getting too high, so I did six months training in Krav Maga, and then swapped to kickboxing which I am still doing. I am not going to go looking for trouble, but if it finds me, then I feel rather more confident about being able to deal with it.

Sorry for your troubles. In the meantime what do you think of Krav Maga? Was there any special reason for swapping to kickboxing?

The reason is that I'm planning to start training something like that and KM is one of firsts in my list to try.

[__LEE__]

raftom said:

mutt k said: After a mate had a bottle broken over his head last year, and I saw a couple of fights kick off for no good reason, I figured that the nutter quotient was getting too high, so I did six months training in Krav Maga, and then swapped to kickboxing which I am still doing. I am not going to go looking for trouble, but if it finds me, then I feel rather more confident about being able to deal with it. Sorry for your troubles. In the meantime what do you think of Krav Maga? Was there any special reason for swapping to kickboxing? The reason is that I'm planning to start training something like that and KM is one of firsts in my list to try.

Krav Maga is taught to several Special Forces, enough said. But it is good to learn a few different forms i.e. grapling, striking.

[raftom]

__LEE__ said:

Krav Maga is taught to several Special Forces, enough said. But it is good to learn a few different forms i.e. grapling, striking.

Yep, I know that.

I'm at the internet nerdy research phase right now