RE: Mosler MT900R
Discussion
This thing was at the Fairmile Surrey Multi car meet on friday.
The guy driving it (not sure of his name - see below), knew next to nothing about the engine!
On asking if LS1 or 6 based - he just said - Ooh I don't know anything about engines - just know it is from a Chevy and make about 500bhp (Balls it does).
Walked off at this point..........!
Ooh and it is WAY too wide for Real world motoring.
The guy driving it (not sure of his name - see below), knew next to nothing about the engine!
On asking if LS1 or 6 based - he just said - Ooh I don't know anything about engines - just know it is from a Chevy and make about 500bhp (Balls it does).
Walked off at this point..........!
Ooh and it is WAY too wide for Real world motoring.
I've seen both the Mosler and Saleen perform, up close and personal and they both seem to go back to the paddock on a hook almost as much as they compete.
One reason is probably big cubic inches, combined with big HP / Torque into marginal transaxle. Even if it's a Hewland,or Quaif they're probably overated for racing reality.
Mosler is GM based 427 like Saleen is Ford 427, Mosler rear uses Corvette tailight assemblies and other Corvette parts too. Dispite Saleen's history of upfitting Mustang mules, Saleen S-7, I believe is Malick designed ground up new car.
>> Edited by LS V8s in Miatas on Tuesday 30th August 18:31
One reason is probably big cubic inches, combined with big HP / Torque into marginal transaxle. Even if it's a Hewland,or Quaif they're probably overated for racing reality.
Mosler is GM based 427 like Saleen is Ford 427, Mosler rear uses Corvette tailight assemblies and other Corvette parts too. Dispite Saleen's history of upfitting Mustang mules, Saleen S-7, I believe is Malick designed ground up new car.
>> Edited by LS V8s in Miatas on Tuesday 30th August 18:31
LS V8s in Miatas said:
I've seen both the Mosler and Saleen perform, up close and personal and they both seem to go back to the paddock on a hook almost as much as they compete.
One reason is probably big cubic inches, combined with big HP / Torque into marginal transaxle. Even if it's a Hewland,or Quaif they're probably overated for racing reality.
Mosler is GM based 427 like Saleen is Ford 427, Mosler rear uses Corvette tailight assemblies and other Corvette parts too. Dispite Saleen's history of upfitting Mustang mules, Saleen S-7, I believe is Malick designed ground up new car.
That's funny, I've hardly ever seen a Mosler be towed back to a paddock, unless its had an accident. I've seen plenty of Saleens get towed back, but not Moslers, and I've followed the Mosler progress in GT racing VERY closely over the last three years,so please enlighten me where you've been watching?
As for the transmission, never seen a Mosler suffer in that department either, I can assure you from what I've seen the Hewland box in a Mosler is more than adequate.
Note to Jellison
The guy driving the Mosler was me. John Heywood of Racinggreen TVR. Now we have just got the franchise for the road going car, and at the last minute I had the oppertunity to borrow the car and bring it along for people to see in the flesh. Now as a dealer we do not often attend these funcitoins as we seem to be open to unnecessary abuse, well goes to show some things don't change. Next time I get an intresting car I will stay at home and keep in for myself. By the way, I can tell you it is a bit narrower than a Range Rover.
The guy driving the Mosler was me. John Heywood of Racinggreen TVR. Now we have just got the franchise for the road going car, and at the last minute I had the oppertunity to borrow the car and bring it along for people to see in the flesh. Now as a dealer we do not often attend these funcitoins as we seem to be open to unnecessary abuse, well goes to show some things don't change. Next time I get an intresting car I will stay at home and keep in for myself. By the way, I can tell you it is a bit narrower than a Range Rover.
Not often that dealers wheel out the big toys for us great unwashed to get our grubby prints on. IIRC they also brought down a couple of Sagarises too. Shame that they get responses like this really.
They also brought the car down to VW the week before. With any luck, an arrogant post won't have deterred them from putting in appearances in the future. The rest of us are grateful John, even if you can't explain the inner workings of the combustion engine!
Gruffy
It's an LS6, just in case you were still losing sleep jellison
They also brought the car down to VW the week before. With any luck, an arrogant post won't have deterred them from putting in appearances in the future. The rest of us are grateful John, even if you can't explain the inner workings of the combustion engine!
Gruffy
It's an LS6, just in case you were still losing sleep jellison
The Racing and Exotic Motoring public's a tough lot over here.
Everytime you show something new you either better have designed it, built it or raced it in 24 hours at Daytona or Sebring and read the tech manual 20 times or your target audience has you for breakfast, they don't relish salesmen without product knowledge and confidence.
When it happens in the US try not to take it personally.
Everytime you show something new you either better have designed it, built it or raced it in 24 hours at Daytona or Sebring and read the tech manual 20 times or your target audience has you for breakfast, they don't relish salesmen without product knowledge and confidence.
When it happens in the US try not to take it personally.
Gruffy said:Like LS in a Miata said - don't relish salesmen without product knowledge and confidence.
Not often that dealers wheel out the big toys for us great unwashed to get our grubby prints on. IIRC they also brought down a couple of Sagarises too. Shame that they get responses like this really.
They also brought the car down to VW the week before. With any luck, an arrogant post won't have deterred them from putting in appearances in the future. The rest of us are grateful John, even if you can't explain the inner workings of the combustion engine!
Gruffy
It's an LS6, just in case you were still losing sleep jellison
The guy driving the car should know what is in the back of it (i.e. at least what an LS engine is and even whether LS1 / 6 / 2 / 7 and what mods. This is the sort of stuff kids in to cars and dealers should know backward (I ceratinly used to be able to quote all that stuff when I was a kid. And if that is Arrogant then you just don't get.
I personally can't see the point of dealers crashing
car meets just to hawk there latest product.
Range Rover is 2034 mm wide, Mosler 2006.6 mm 27mm - OK so it is 1 inch narrower than a Ranger Rover - that is Bloody Wide in my book....
Shame that they get responses like this really.
Get a life - you would expect to be able to get all the tech stuff on it if you were seriously interested in buying it.
Should have know all this stuff http://supercarx.com/articles/specifications/mt900.htm
All the potential Corvette and other owners they if they knew there stuff woul know this.
And yes, LS6 as I thought with chip job - not the 500 odd that the RG guy seemed to think.
Needs an LS7 Z06 to be worth spending that dosh - And that for those do not read Car mags is the 7 litre version of the LS Chevy range with 500bhp.
jellison said:
Get a life - you would expect to be able to get all the tech stuff on it if you were seriously interested in buying it.
If I were seriously interested in buying it, I would perhaps have chosen to stay and discuss it with him rather than run straight to a public forum and try and belittle him. I can't imagine he wouldn't have got back to you with any answers he didn't have comitted to memory. As it happens, he probably was referring to the 7 litre LS7. I know that's an option with that car.
As for dealers 'hawking their latest product'... Do you think there was a single person at Fairmile who was in the market for such a car? Very unlikely I think. But it does allow the motoring public to see a very rare car on the road and if you can't see the appeal in that, then you're on the wrong website.
Gruffy
I think it's great you "commoners" feel truly blessed that the elite allow you a peek at your fantasy machines constructed out of "unobtanium alloys" as Donohue used to say. Even better, class distinction clearly works to confirm your place, in your minds.
We don't buy that crap over here, we rub elbows with everybody, race drivers wear Levis. We sit in, drive and thrash Moslers, Porsches, Lambos, Ferraris whatever makes us happy. We don't idolize trailer queens and show & shines. After all, any car is just a hunk of metal and we can always get another one.
- Hang loose
We don't buy that crap over here, we rub elbows with everybody, race drivers wear Levis. We sit in, drive and thrash Moslers, Porsches, Lambos, Ferraris whatever makes us happy. We don't idolize trailer queens and show & shines. After all, any car is just a hunk of metal and we can always get another one.
- Hang loose
Do you think there was a single person at Fairmile who was in the market for such a car?
YES some of the Richest people in the country in the 10 miles around the Fairmile - but most would by a Ferrari or a Z06 C6 as more practical - it is just another track car - to win races with nice seats, etc to get it road legal.
YES some of the Richest people in the country in the 10 miles around the Fairmile - but most would by a Ferrari or a Z06 C6 as more practical - it is just another track car - to win races with nice seats, etc to get it road legal.
jellison said:
Do you think there was a single person at Fairmile who was in the market for such a car?
YES some of the Richest people in the country in the 10 miles around the Fairmile - but most would by a Ferrari or a Z06 C6 as more practical - it is just another track car - to win races with nice seats, etc to get it road legal.
As I've said before, you've obviously never seen the road car alongside one of the race prepped cars. There's a whole world of difference.
It's not just a 'track car'.
jellison said:
It's not just a 'track car'.
IT IS...
ISN'T! So there!
It's not very compromised, obviously, but to describe it as purely a track car is wrong. When Phil (Keen, one of our drivers) drove the blue car at Goodwood his comment afterwards was that it was, perhaps, a little too refined. Very quiet and very comfy, bearing in mind what you would expect it to be like with looks like that. Obviously he's used to driving the racecar which is a tad harsher, but he also has plenty of TVR road car experience.
It doesn't have the practicality of a Porsche and it is rather large (though not as wide as many think), but it has a/c, a bigger boot than my quattro and a Porsche gearbox that's easy enough to use, while power steering can also be specified. Of course you wouldn't use it every day, but it is a considerably more friendly proposition than, say, an Ultima.
My Mosler experience is primarily based around the racecar, but I also know that the road car would make a hell of a car to take around Europe for a few weeks. It's a straightforward, no-nonsense sort of beast that you could trust to get you around.
Finally, someone eariler mentioned Mosler racecars breaking down - well that was pretty early in the programme, as I'm sure you know. The European ones, which have been developed further, are very reliable.
Steve @ Eclipse.
Ladies, PLEASE enough of the bitching.
The Mosler is gorgeous and if I had £100K I would buy one provided it had the new LS7 7.0L power unit.
Regarding the wide/practical aspect, since when has practical been a requirement of a Supercar? In fact some would say the practicality is a negative of being a Supercar.
The Mosler has aircon, windows, a roof, 2 seats (possibly one more than requisite), steering wheel, lights etc. looks fantastic, brakes and wheels look sexy, big rear wing etc. etc. Definitely a road not trackday special.
If you want to go to Tescos then take the bus!
BTW RGC The car was developed in Florida not Norfolk
I have the article from Motor Trend and here is the proof!
http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news050617mosler/index.html
(This goes back to a discussion on the grid at Goodwood in August for those that have no clue what I am talking about).
Mosler Automotive
2391 Old Dixie Highway
Riviera Beach, Florida 33404
The Mosler is gorgeous and if I had £100K I would buy one provided it had the new LS7 7.0L power unit.
Regarding the wide/practical aspect, since when has practical been a requirement of a Supercar? In fact some would say the practicality is a negative of being a Supercar.
The Mosler has aircon, windows, a roof, 2 seats (possibly one more than requisite), steering wheel, lights etc. looks fantastic, brakes and wheels look sexy, big rear wing etc. etc. Definitely a road not trackday special.
If you want to go to Tescos then take the bus!
BTW RGC The car was developed in Florida not Norfolk
I have the article from Motor Trend and here is the proof! http://motortrend.com/features/news/112_news050617mosler/index.html
(This goes back to a discussion on the grid at Goodwood in August for those that have no clue what I am talking about).
Mosler Automotive
2391 Old Dixie Highway
Riviera Beach, Florida 33404
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