RE: Carver One

Wednesday 20th September 2006

Carver One

Aaron Weddell checks out the tilting three-wheeler -- he rather likes it


Carver One
Carver One

Southend sea-front, the year is 1986 and, thanks to an Oscar-worthy tantrum, I have managed to free a couple of shiny twenty pence pieces from my father’s pocket.

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I make a beeline for the shiniest and most elaborate cabinet in the whole place -- Outrun. Not only is it a chance for me to drive my first Ferrari, aged only six, but this is no ordinary game: the cabinet tips and lurches in response to the steering wheel inputs, making it an even more exciting prospect.

I deposit my 20p, pick Magical Sound Shower for my driving music, select manual gears (it’s not real driving otherwise -- I knew even then) and ten seconds later the cabinet rocks backwards in response to my full-bore blast off the starting grid. Fifteen seconds later my dad is pressing the ‘Motion Stop’ button in response to my terrified shrieking.

Déjà vu all over again

Fortunately 12 years later I found that Sega hadn’t really captured the reality of driving and subsequent journeys were, in the main, shriek-free. But as the shutter of écurie25’s Old Street premises raises and I see the Carver One emerge blinking into the sunlight I start to think that this might be Southend 1986 all over again.

You see, the Prodrive-produced Carver One is a tilting car. Yup, tilting is the new upright -- hot on the wheels of tilting trains Carver has brought us the tilting car.

There are two main sections to the vehicle. The engine is a four-cylinder 659cc turbocharged lump punting out 68bhp and 74lb-ft to the rear wheels -- this equates just over 100bhp per ton based on the dry weight of 670kg. Not exactly a featherweight considering it’s only 3.4m long and 1.3m wide but enough to endow it with respectable performance of 115mph top-end and a 0-60 of 8.2 seconds. Surprisingly, considering the compact dimensions, there is also a traditional five-speed manual gearbox.

The second section is the actual cabin which actually seats two -- being a MWV (Man Wide Vehicle) the seating is arranged one-behind-the-other which makes me think that perhaps a leather flight jacket and aviator shades may have been more appropriate attire than jeans and T-shirt.

Visually the car strikes you as something that's leapt from the pages of Judge Dredd into reality -- it really is that different from anything else on the road. As I reach for the door handle I am shocked back into the real world as there appears to be the chrome handle from an MGB or some such as a means of entry. A jarringly old school touch on such an ultra-modern vehicle.

Luxury?

Once inside though the driving position is somewhat unusual yet functional -- it feels a bit like I’d sitting on a dining room chair in front of the chunky Momo steering wheel but in order to accommodate two adults in any kind of comfort in a relatively short wheel base it is a necessity. Interior accommodation is relatively luxurious with leather trimmed door panels -- although there is only one door, on the left-hand side, as the right panel houses the gear stick -- leather seats, CD player and electric windows.

Safety equipment is noticeable by its absence -- there are no airbags nor electronic safety nets but then it is essentially a hand-built car and, even with Prodrive handling engineering and production as of the start of this year, build targets are projected at only 500 units per annum. That said, the structure itself is very rigid with a steel cage construction.

Time to put my trepidation to one side and to see how the Carver performs where it matters. On the road.

On the road

Up to 7mph the Carver remains fixed in the upright position making normal manoeuvring exactly that, so the first few moments familiarising oneself with the controls are pain-free. Spying a gap I ease out into the light early evening city traffic and as I accelerate past the magic speed while turning left, I experience my first taste of the Dynamic Vehicle Control.

The DVC adjusts the slant angle of the cockpit to the speed and acceleration of the vehicle enabling a jet fighter-aping 'tilting before cornering' -- the technical explanation offered by Carver is that ‘the driver's input or steering torque is distributed between the front wheel steering angle and the cockpit tilting angle. This distribution is automatically adjusted to varying speeds and road conditions to ensure an optimal balance at all times. At lower speeds the steering torque is directed to the front wheel angle and the passenger compartment remains upright. At higher speeds the steering torque is mainly directed to the tilt angle of the cockpit and rear wheel steering.’

The real life consequence of the DVC technology is that the car leans, you laugh like a maniac and people in the street stop and stare.

Initially I automatically react against the leaning and try and counter it by adjusting my steering inputs, which means I end up wobbling down the road rattling from side to side in a most ungainly manner. Still the laughing continues but it feels as odd as unicycling though the traffic for the first ten minutes or so.

Back end out

Leaning activates one of the cars most accessible features -- activating the series of LEDs, which illuminate relative to the lean angle four green, and four red left and right. My personal best over the week I had the Carver was just shy of maximum attack angle, with three of the four red LEDs complete with a cacophony of warning buzzers. And believe me, that took some doing although in time I am sure you could become more at ease with the handling and push things further still. If you  go into a bend a little too fast, there's the tendency for a little apparent understeer to be thrown into the mix -- it’s something you have to adapt to as in reality it seems there it seems that as a curve tightens you just need to dial in a little more lock than you would first thing required.

On loose surfaces the rear pushes wide like a normal RWD motor although it has to be said that it’s not really a vehicle in which you should constantly be pushing the limits due to the question mark over exactly what may happen if you really overcook it in a major way.

One of the main points of concern I have to start is that the DVC allows tilting outside the normal wheelbase -- something that sounds potentially fraught in theory but in practice is not actually a problem due to the jet-fighter style canopy offering great all-round visibility. The lack of a rear view mirror takes some getting used to if you're not a biker.

After a period of familiarisation in city traffic it’s out onto the more open urban roads and the Carver really starts to come into its own. The turbo gives great mid-range flexibility with the maximum torque being available from just 2,750rpm. Out and out power isn't in the supercar league or even up with current crop of hot-hatches, but it's plenty brisk enough when coupled with the immediacy of the handling. You can flick from left to right with the transition from maximum angle each way in just one second, so weaving in and out of parked vehicles down narrow streets soon becomes second nature -- you could be chasing MIGs through the Grand Canyon rather than popping down to Tesco. Although heading down to the supermarket might not be a great idea due to the lack of luggage space unless you are flying solo and can use the passenger seat for storage as there is no space other than a tiny parcel shelf for suitable only for -- er -- tiny parcels.

The Carver is certainly not for shy and retiring types -- everywhere you pilot it eyes follow you. It’s not just car-types that notice it either, parked up at a country pub even old ladies stop to drink in the details. Visiting the petrol station is no longer a five minute activity as you are regularly mobbed by interested parties wanting to know quite what the Carver is -- on a couple of occasions I was pursued by other drivers to my destination just to have a chat.

Falling in love again

The main drawback is the cost -- £27,650 (inc VAT) for the base model is a lot even after taking two decades of inflation into account. But one b-road blast later I’m rummaging around down the back of the sofa cushions… to drive the Carver is to fall irrationally in love with it.

Considering the proliferation of speed cameras and the rising cost of petrol it almost makes perfect sense despite the practical limitations. 45mpg on the combined cycle and each journey comes complete with the thrill of a driving experience unlike no other and at any speed faster than 7mph.

Unfortunately Carver ownership is a long way off for me as my search yields barely enough for a game of Outrun at today’s prices. Perhaps now I’m ready.

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Discussion

kentviking

Original Poster:

576 posts

240 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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any one know where this thing stands on having to pay the congestion charge and parking in motorbike bays?

CivPilot

6,235 posts

240 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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Well seeing as it's motorbike road tax I would say it stands pretty good. I had a sit in one at Goodwood FOS and a long chat with the guy from Carver Europe and I do seem to remember him saying it was "congestion charge exempt" due to its road tax status.

Blooming nice car/bike inside. Want one.

kentviking

Original Poster:

576 posts

240 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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could be the cheapest way to commute into London...45mpg, no congestion charge and free parking in motorobike bays....I could be seriously tempted.

FestivAli

1,088 posts

238 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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Sounds like an absolute laugh, so naturally I want one. All it needs is winglets to hold the missiles and I'd top gun any bastard sitting 10 kays under the limit on a single carriageway...

Fox 3!

lockup

383 posts

242 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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The article said:
The engine is a four-cylinder 659cc turbocharged lump punting out 68bhp and 74lb-ft to the rear wheels


So given we can get about 120bhp out of a modern 600cc bike engine there should be plenty of scope for a hot version!

GingerNinja

3,961 posts

258 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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kentviking said:
could be the cheapest way to commute into London...45mpg, no congestion charge and free parking in motorobike bays....I could be seriously tempted.


That's a whole lot of parking and congestion charge savings to cover it's initial £27K cost over a more conventional small car.

cml

715 posts

262 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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Electric windows? I think there is probably room for saving some weight on this thing then!

Looks like huge fun. I wish it every success.

GingerNinja

3,961 posts

258 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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cml said:
Electric windows? I think there is probably room for saving some weight on this thing then!

Looks like huge fun. I wish it every success.


Nice idea, but horrendously overpriced and underpowered.

CivPilot

6,235 posts

240 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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lockup said:
The article said:
The engine is a four-cylinder 659cc turbocharged lump punting out 68bhp and 74lb-ft to the rear wheels


So given we can get about 120bhp out of a modern 600cc bike engine there should be plenty of scope for a hot version!


One of the tick boxes on the options list is for an 80bhp engine map, so sure there is more available in there.

I think labeling the car simply as "overpriced and underpowered" is slightly missing the point is it not? Surely with the "fighter pilot" driving position and leaning into corners you dont have to be going super fast to enjoy the driving. And isn't that what driving should be about? I havent read a road test that didn't absolutely love the driving experience and overall impression the car gave, not many moaned about it being underpowered. Have a look at the carver website at some of the videos of the thing in action, theres some great over the drivers shoulder stuff in the hills around monaco cloud9

I think the Carver is superb and monies allowing I would buy in a heart beat.

AARONM3

417 posts

216 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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According to the website the reason for not tricking it out with a bike engine is...

"The Carver One being handled like a car, we need the entire drivetrain of a car. It would be difficult to connect a motorcycle engine to the drivetrain of a car. The development of a new drivetrain and differential for a motorcycle engine would require considerable effort. Also, the complete drivetrain (engine + gearbox + differential) of a car is very compact, much more compact than a specially designed drivetrain with a motorcycle engine would be. Space being limited, this is certainly an aspect we need to consider."

Although it does also pose the question:

Is there a right hand drive version available?

lol

mark smith

164 posts

219 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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I saw the video clip of Top Gear testing this fabulous machine yesterday , and Richard Hammond was having the time of his life driving it. Even Jezzer gave it the thumbs up. Personally I would love to have a go in one . Unfortunately £27,000 is a bit out of my price range, but if I had the money I would definitely buy one. It would be fun on a track day thats for sure!! Imagine if it was race tuned !!

kingb

1,151 posts

226 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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a car for the fantacy garage

when i win the lottery

Sporting Bear

7,898 posts

234 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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I think labeling the car simply as "overpriced and underpowered" is slightly missing the point is it not? Surely with the "fighter pilot" driving position and leaning into corners you dont have to be going super fast to enjoy the driving. And isn't that what driving should be about? I havent read a road test that didn't absolutely love the driving experience and overall impression the car gave, not many moaned about it being underpowered. Have a look at the carver website at some of the videos of the thing in action, theres some great over the drivers shoulder stuff in the hills around monaco cloud9

I think the Carver is superb and monies allowing I would buy in a heart beat.[/quote]

Totally agree, too many people are hooked up on output figures it's the driving experience that counts.
A chap in our club (Sporting Bears Motor Club) tends to buy small interesting and sometimes "underpowered" cars but also buys the likes of Lambos, and last turned up in a Ford GT, so obviously appreciates each vehicle for its individual experience.
His wife told me that the Carver has a Daihatsu Copen engine, they owned an import model and my wife has a UK model so I can tell you that the engine will be suitable and up to the job (assuming it comes with the purpose built turbo).
To reduce vehicle height and improve power to weight how about a single seater?

Edited by Sporting Bear on Wednesday 20th September 18:14

bangerturner

157 posts

222 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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I think this may have a smart car engine, I saw it on top gear and the rear track seems about the same. I'm not sure about the 5 speed gearbox though

AARONM3

417 posts

216 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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I'm pretty sure it is the Daihatsu engine as I came across that info in researching the piece. I hear that they are rather tuneable but I'm not sure if the space issue represented by the different layout in the Carver would mean that some of the usual bolt-ons might be redundant.

In all fairness I think that it does have enough power as it stands (leans!) but the 80bhp upgrade would give it a bit of extra pep.

toppstuff

13,698 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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As mad as a box of frogs, as the saying goes.

I want one badly.

Thankfully there are still oddly eccentric people out there prepared to build stuff like this.

Pretty soon we will all be required by law ( set out by the lunatics in government ) that we can only drive a Prius or face savage taxes for any car which is fun to drive.

At least there are mad things like this to buy instead.

dandarez

13,282 posts

283 months

Wednesday 20th September 2006
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I think this is really something else, however, the sad part of it is this link where I first saw it with Top Gear presenter Richard Hammond at the wheel. Sadly he was very badly injured today when he was testing a 'rocket' car for Top Gear and remains critical in hospital. Our thoughts should be with him. Without him TG will never be the same. Here's hoping he pulls through. Listen to him test the Carver and you'll see exactly what I mean.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgfTG1wCHtg

kentviking

Original Poster:

576 posts

240 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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GingerNinja said:
kentviking said:
could be the cheapest way to commute into London...45mpg, no congestion charge and free parking in motorobike bays....I could be seriously tempted.


That's a whole lot of parking and congestion charge savings to cover it's initial £27K cost over a more conventional small car.


yep...less than 5 years of fun to pay for itself....45 weeks a year of at least £25 per day for parking and congestion charging...before even taking into account the fuel efficiency savings and the fact you should be able to weave a bit in traffic.

LuS1fer

41,135 posts

245 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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Brilliant fun. Too slow. Twice as much as it should be. If they can sell a Gold Wing for a fraction of the price, why not sell the idea to Honda and get some mass-production costs into the equation. I can see Honda rifling this idea sooner or later anyway. Now that with an 1800 flat six engine would be heaven.

scoobybloke

160 posts

260 months

Thursday 21st September 2006
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I've actually driven one of these in Monaco a few months ago (at the Top Marques Motor Show) - they are huge fun. Takes a little bit of getting used to, but once you learn to let it lean deep into the corners it is a real laugh - even at very low speeds. It is very well suited to town driving. It certainly didn't feel underpowered. Anyone who has been to Monaco will know that it is built on the side of a cliff and has some very steep climbs - the Carver coped with them all. Sweeping down through the Lowes hairpin and into the tunnel was great fun Great idea, well executed and with Prodrive's involvement, hopefully well sorted. It deserves to be a huge success.