Fake watches, are they legal?
Discussion
will_t said:
No !
Fakes are not legal although you will only have a problem if you:
1. Ware it when passing through custom control at an Airport.
I'd be interested in seeing under what legislation that would give you a problem.. ok maybe if you've got 100 of them stashed in yer suitcase but wearing one ?
interestingly i bought a fake tag 2000 classic in KL, loved it lost it so had to buy a real one to replace it
unrepentant said:
Anyone who buys a fake anything is a thief IMHO.
I speak as someone who has run a business that has lost millions through counterfeiting.
I am always highly dubious about these claims, ceratinly when it comes to something like watches. Realisticly, is someone who is happy to pay £25 for a knock off Rolex likely to shell out £3k on a real one? No. Then how has any money been lost by the retailers of the genuine article?
Same with MP3's and DIVX's etc. Industry say that have lost x millions in sales by assuming everyone that downloaded an album/film would have bought it otherwise, simply not true and totaly sensationalist.
OTOH, for cheaper items, especialy fashion clothes etc. I can see that the smaller price differential between the real and fake items could take away sales of the genuine things, especialy where fake goods are being passed of as real.
neilmac said:
burwoodman said:
I have £4ks worth of Cartier and it loses 5 mins in a four week period. Quartz watches are accurate, automatic (self wind jobis) are not.
My automatic (self winding)Omega Seamaster gains about 5 seconds a month so can't complain about that....
I've got a Seamaster automatic and find I'm losing about one minute per month. I find that acceptable, but to get that accurate I had to send it back once. Just tell them how much it's losing and they correct it for you. I had to pay £150 for a service, but I got my golf ball damage
and tile floor damage repaired for that, so can't be too bad, particularly as it is the titanium version. Edited because I can't type today.
>> Edited by ginge on Monday 23 August 19:42
BliarOut said:
I thought the geniune Rolex movement was about four moves per second, whereas most of the fakes just move the second hand once per sec?
Have they even mastered that now?
I don't know about Rolex but on my Seamaster automatic there are 5 movements per second. On the quartz version there is only one movement per second. Every fake I've ever seen has also had one movement per second.
Mr2Mike said:
Anyone who buys a fake anything is a thief IMHO.
I speak as someone who has run a business that has lost millions through counterfeiting.
I am always highly dubious about these claims, ceratinly when it comes to something like watches. Realisticly, is someone who is happy to pay £25 for a knock off Rolex likely to shell out £3k on a real one? No. Then how has any money been lost by the retailers of the genuine article?
Same with MP3's and DIVX's etc. Industry say that have lost x millions in sales by assuming everyone that downloaded an album/film would have bought it otherwise, simply not true and totaly sensationalist.
OTOH, for cheaper items, especialy fashion clothes etc. I can see that the smaller price differential between the real and fake items could take away sales of the genuine things, especialy where fake goods are being passed of as real.
ginge said:
burwoodman said:
I have £4ks worth of Cartier and it loses 5 mins in a four week period. Quartz watches are accurate, automatic (self wind jobis) are not.
My automatic (self winding)Omega Seamaster gains about 5 seconds a month so can't complain about that....
I've got a Seamaster automatic and find I'm losing about one minute per month. I find that acceptable, but to get that accurate I had to send it back once. Just tell them how much it's losing and they correct it for you. I had to pay £150 for a service, but I got my golf ball damage
Edited because I can't type today.
>> Edited by ginge on Monday 23 August 19:42
Interesting, my auto seamaster has already gone back once but is still losing almost 1 minute per month.
Mr2Mike said:
unrepentant said:
Anyone who buys a fake anything is a thief IMHO.
I speak as someone who has run a business that has lost millions through counterfeiting.
I am always highly dubious about these claims, ceratinly when it comes to something like watches. Realisticly, is someone who is happy to pay £25 for a knock off Rolex likely to shell out £3k on a real one? No. Then how has any money been lost by the retailers of the genuine article?
Same with MP3's and DIVX's etc. Industry say that have lost x millions in sales by assuming everyone that downloaded an album/film would have bought it otherwise, simply not true and totaly sensationalist.
OTOH, for cheaper items, especialy fashion clothes etc. I can see that the smaller price differential between the real and fake items could take away sales of the genuine things, especialy where fake goods are being passed of as real.
This must be right, the £100 watch buyer is not pondering over whether to spend £3,000 on a real Breitling. Let's not forget that the cost of a Tag or Breitlings etc. is far, far above the real maufacturing cost. The price is artificially maintained high by restricting sales outlets and very flash marketing campaigns.
There is the comparability issue as well. A 'fake' Ferrrai does not drive as well as a real Ferrari. A fake Rolex tells the time equally as well as a real one. So who's the real mug, the bloke who's spent £100 on an indistingusiable copy which tells the time perfectly and he won't fret if it gets lost/knocked/ nicked, or the one whose spent £3,000 on the 'real thing'?
>> Edited by ColumN on Tuesday 24th August 12:33
Hi all,
Just got an amazing gift of a tag heuer link ladies watch, looks beautiful. Has all serial numbers on back etc. Dont want to appear ungrateful but.... the numbers on outside ie the part that spins, there are white bits missing from numbers, thinking maybe preowned (could be from being cleaned)or replica? Don't know how to tell, can i take it to jeweller to get checked out or will they confiscate if it is a replica? Does anyone know of a great site that explains how to detect a fake tag? Whatever the outcome the person who gave it to me is a gem and i love it either way, just curious! Thankyou to anyone who can help
Just got an amazing gift of a tag heuer link ladies watch, looks beautiful. Has all serial numbers on back etc. Dont want to appear ungrateful but.... the numbers on outside ie the part that spins, there are white bits missing from numbers, thinking maybe preowned (could be from being cleaned)or replica? Don't know how to tell, can i take it to jeweller to get checked out or will they confiscate if it is a replica? Does anyone know of a great site that explains how to detect a fake tag? Whatever the outcome the person who gave it to me is a gem and i love it either way, just curious! Thankyou to anyone who can help
loulou said:
Hi all,
Just got an amazing gift of a tag heuer link ladies watch, looks beautiful. Has all serial numbers on back etc. Dont want to appear ungrateful but.... the numbers on outside ie the part that spins, there are white bits missing from numbers, thinking maybe preowned (could be from being cleaned)or replica? Don't know how to tell, can i take it to jeweller to get checked out or will they confiscate if it is a replica? Does anyone know of a great site that explains how to detect a fake tag? Whatever the outcome the person who gave it to me is a gem and i love it either way, just curious! Thankyou to anyone who can help
Without knowing the watch exactly it sounds like it may have been pre-owned, but by all means take it to a jewellers to get checked. It is not an offence to own a replica (unless you try to sell it as genuine) they won't (and can't) confiscate it
If it is real then I would imagine that they could arrange to have it serviced by Tag and possibly restored
ColumN said:
unrepentant said:
Anyone who buys a fake anything is a thief IMHO.
I speak as someone who has run a business that has lost millions through counterfeiting.
I am always highly dubious about these claims, ceratinly when it comes to something like watches. Realisticly, is someone who is happy to pay £25 for a knock off Rolex likely to shell out £3k on a real one? No. Then how has any money been lost by the retailers of the genuine article?
Same with MP3's and DIVX's etc. Industry say that have lost x millions in sales by assuming everyone that downloaded an album/film would have bought it otherwise, simply not true and totaly sensationalist.
OTOH, for cheaper items, especialy fashion clothes etc. I can see that the smaller price differential between the real and fake items could take away sales of the genuine things, especialy where fake goods are being passed of as real.
This must be right, the £100 watch buyer is not pondering over whether to spend £3,000 on a real Breitling. Let's not forget that the cost of a Tag or Breitlings etc. is far, far above the real maufacturing cost. The price is artificially maintained high by restricting sales outlets and very flash marketing campaigns.
There is the comparability issue as well. A 'fake' Ferrrai does not drive as well as a real Ferrari. A fake Rolex tells the time equally as well as a real one. So who's the real mug, the bloke who's spent £100 on an indistingusiable copy which tells the time perfectly and he won't fret if it gets lost/knocked/ nicked, or the one whose spent £3,000 on the 'real thing'?
>> Edited by ColumN on Tuesday 24th August 12:33
The mug is the guy who put £100 in some criminal's pocket, and devalued the brand he pretends to own.
If you only have £50 to spend buy a Seiko or an Accurist for heaven's sake. They are fine watches.
These threads amaze me - "Oh, so a fake is just as good as the real thing." Yes it is, in exactly the same way as a colour photo copy of the Mona Lisa is as good as the one done by DaVinci.
loulou said:
Hi all,
Just got an amazing gift of a tag heuer link ladies watch, looks beautiful. Has all serial numbers on back etc. Dont want to appear ungrateful but.... the numbers on outside ie the part that spins, there are white bits missing from numbers, thinking maybe preowned (could be from being cleaned)or replica? Don't know how to tell, can i take it to jeweller to get checked out or will they confiscate if it is a replica? Does anyone know of a great site that explains how to detect a fake tag? Whatever the outcome the person who gave it to me is a gem and i love it either way, just curious! Thankyou to anyone who can help
A jeweller won't take it off you, but they will tell you if it's a fake.
An easy way to tell if it's a TAG - does it weight a ton? If so it probably is genuine. To be doubly sure, whack it on a brick wall - if it knocks a chunk out of the wall, it's a TAG, if it disintegrates, it's a fake
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