When is Bottas going to show up?
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HustleRussell said:
agreed Bobbo, Bottas will want to demonstrate ASAP that he is worthy of an extension on his measly one year contract so that Merecedes aren't inclined to sign a budget-busting superstar driver for 2018 and risk upsetting the apple cart all over again. I very much doubt he will be... tommunster10 said:
just happy to be there and willing to play it safe to hopefully keep the seat at a factory team.
Like any red-blooded driver would he will simply want to beat his team mate without crashing into him. We shall see, know one knows how it will pan out other than Bottas, but i really don't think he's been drafted in to fight Lewis. He's there to get as many points as possible for the team.
No, you are wrong- an F1 driver's first objective must be to beat his team mate. Of course teams often favour one driver over the other, and some use an explicit 1 and 2 driver arrangement with contracts written accordingly- but where such an agreement does not exist, the drivers first priority is to beat his team mate. Their team mate is the only meaningful yardstick against which a driver's relative skills can be measured, and beating your team mate is the litmus test.
Lauda thinks Bottas is a good replacement for the Champ, and just as fast, with every chance of winning the WDC.
http://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/221386/lauda-ten...
http://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/221386/lauda-ten...
tommunster10 said:
We shall see, know one knows how it will pan out other than Bottas, but i really don't think he's been drafted in to fight Lewis. He's there to get as many points as possible for the team.
I don't think any team drafts in a driver to fight their team mate, they want a driver that can challenge them without driving them off the track. To me Bottas is just that driver, fast and fair. He doesn't get himself into bother and he doesn't cause it for others. bobbo89 said:
tommunster10 said:
We shall see, know one knows how it will pan out other than Bottas, but i really don't think he's been drafted in to fight Lewis. He's there to get as many points as possible for the team.
I don't think any team drafts in a driver to fight their team mate, they want a driver that can challenge them without driving them off the track. To me Bottas is just that driver, fast and fair. He doesn't get himself into bother and he doesn't cause it for others. If Bottas turns up and starts beating Lewis then really that's not going to reflect well on Lewis at all, we shall see. I think Bottas will err on the side of caution though.
deadslow said:
Lauda thinks Bottas is a good replacement for the Champ, and just as fast, with every chance of winning the WDC.
http://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/221386/lauda-ten...
Yeah but what does he know? We have plenty of PH F1 armchair master strategists here telling us the real facts! http://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/221386/lauda-ten...
parabolica said:
deadslow said:
Lauda thinks Bottas is a good replacement for the Champ, and just as fast, with every chance of winning the WDC.
http://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/221386/lauda-ten...
Yeah but what does he know? We have plenty of PH F1 arm-chair master strategists here telling us the real facts! http://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/221386/lauda-ten...
Anyway it's an F1 section on a car forum should we not discuss anything? Would be pretty empty round here and doubt Haymarket would be too pleased.
tommunster10 said:
OK so you guys think Bottas is capable of doing a Nico and beating Lewis to poles and race wins then? Wow even I have more faith in Lewis's ability.
If Bottas turns up and starts beating Lewis then really that's not going to reflect well on Lewis at all, we shall see. I think Bottas will err on the side of caution though.
Yes, I do. I'm not suggesting that he'll be taking every pole and every win but I do believe he's capable of taking at least a few, maybe more, who knows? If Bottas turns up and starts beating Lewis then really that's not going to reflect well on Lewis at all, we shall see. I think Bottas will err on the side of caution though.
You seem to be coming from the angle that Bottas isnt a good driver and completely incapable of beating Hamilton, which I just don't get! How would him taking poles and wins reflect badly on Hamilton?
bobbo89 said:
tommunster10 said:
OK so you guys think Bottas is capable of doing a Nico and beating Lewis to poles and race wins then? Wow even I have more faith in Lewis's ability.
If Bottas turns up and starts beating Lewis then really that's not going to reflect well on Lewis at all, we shall see. I think Bottas will err on the side of caution though.
Yes, I do. I'm not suggesting that he'll be taking every pole and every win but I do believe he's capable of taking at least a few, maybe more, who knows? If Bottas turns up and starts beating Lewis then really that's not going to reflect well on Lewis at all, we shall see. I think Bottas will err on the side of caution though.
You seem to be coming from the angle that Bottas isnt a good driver and completely incapable of beating Hamilton, which I just don't get! How would him taking poles and wins reflect badly on Hamilton?
If Bottas becomes WDC in 2017 (lol) then I think Lewis would be pretty perplexed, it's pretty much in the bag, Lewis is the 2017 WDC... so let's enjoy the rest of the field in the Class B and C cars fighting.
HustleRussell said:
You doubt he's any better... than the reigning world champion?
You're totally ruling out the possibility that the Red Bull will be the best car this year?
Yes I'm ruling it out, it won't be bar a massive fudge up Merc are the car to beat again. And yes I doubt Bottas is any better than Nico, he might be, I mean only now we will see Bottas in the best car, for sure he'll be on good terms with the front row by the end of the season.You're totally ruling out the possibility that the Red Bull will be the best car this year?
Nico did have a crazy hunger and desire to beat Lewis and to prove himself, all Bottas needs to do is prove he can bring home the best car and get solid points at every round.
Read into what reasons Toto picked him and it's clear the 'job' he has to do in 2017, and i don't think that job is "win the WDC".
tommunster10 said:
If Bottas becomes WDC in 2017 (lol) then I think Lewis would be pretty perplexed, it's pretty much in the bag, Lewis is the 2017 WDC... so let's enjoy the rest of the field in the Class B and C cars fighting.
Bold statement! We all have our opinions on how 2017 might pan out but being 100% sure that Merc will be the dominant force yet again whilst Red Bull and Ferrari are trailing behind is a little short sighted IMO. As others have said, this year is heavily aero based, which as anyone who's been watching F1 for the last 10 years will know, is Red Bull's forte. Ferrari, whilst looking like a confused mess of a team for the last few years, are blood hungry for it and might just have thrown a load of brass at the problem and produced a winning car.
I would like to see Williams produce something with potential but I think they'll just be watching Yoda and Luke trail around somewhere around 10th place!
bobbo89 said:
tommunster10 said:
If Bottas becomes WDC in 2017 (lol) then I think Lewis would be pretty perplexed, it's pretty much in the bag, Lewis is the 2017 WDC... so let's enjoy the rest of the field in the Class B and C cars fighting.
Bold statement! We all have our opinions on how 2017 might pan out but being 100% sure that Merc will be the dominant force yet again whilst Red Bull and Ferrari are trailing behind is a little short sighted IMO. As others have said, this year is heavily aero based, which as anyone who's been watching F1 for the last 10 years will know, is Red Bull's forte. Ferrari, whilst looking like a confused mess of a team for the last few years, are blood hungry for it and might just have thrown a load of brass at the problem and produced a winning car.
I would like to see Williams produce something with potential but I think they'll just be watching Yoda and Luke trail around somewhere around 10th place!
Well it's win win for me, if other drivers are on a level playing field then it could be exciting so great I hope so, but in truth for me I think Merc will still dominate, so its Lewis / Bottas romping home but without the clashes and the panto which happened with Nico.
I hope i'm proved wrong.
I hope i'm proved wrong.
Norfolkit said:
tommunster10 said:
Well that proves that Merc know they have the best car again buy a mile then
Just enlighten me as to how the hell they could possibly know that without having seen any of the cars on track, they have no idea what Red Bull or Ferrari are capable of this year. Merc haven't been caught out by the new regs they weren't kept in the dark about them and the engines will still offer the best performance.
Don't forget how they could play around with engine modes and still win with ease. I'd certainly not bet against a Merc WCC and WDC.
tommunster10 said:
Norfolkit said:
tommunster10 said:
Well that proves that Merc know they have the best car again buy a mile then
Just enlighten me as to how the hell they could possibly know that without having seen any of the cars on track, they have no idea what Red Bull or Ferrari are capable of this year. Merc haven't been caught out by the new regs they weren't kept in the dark about them and the engines will still offer the best performance.
Don't forget how they could play around with engine modes and still win with ease. I'd certainly not bet against a Merc WCC and WDC.
tommunster10 said:
The rest of the quote you cut explains it. I'm reading between the lines of what Toto and Nikki have said so far, preseason I think they are confident it's business as usual come Australia... lets all hope not.
Merc haven't been caught out by the new regs they weren't kept in the dark about them and the engines will still offer the best performance.
Don't forget how they could play around with engine modes and still win with ease. I'd certainly not bet against a Merc WCC and WDC.
They're hardly going to say any different are they, that'd do a lot for the sponsors, team morale and customers wouldn't it! Merc haven't been caught out by the new regs they weren't kept in the dark about them and the engines will still offer the best performance.
Don't forget how they could play around with engine modes and still win with ease. I'd certainly not bet against a Merc WCC and WDC.
As for the engines, again your making massive assumptions. Renault have a works team again and so there might have been quite a lot of development gone into their PU, and who knows what Honda have been up to!
I agree, you'd be daft to bet against Merc taking the WCC and WDC for a fourth time based purely on the last three years but nothing is a dead cert.
History shows what can happen following a major reg's change so it's anyone's guess at this moment. We can speculate all we want but until Q3 in Melbourne, no-one knows a thing!
bobbo89 said:
tommunster10 said:
The rest of the quote you cut explains it. I'm reading between the lines of what Toto and Nikki have said so far, preseason I think they are confident it's business as usual come Australia... lets all hope not.
Merc haven't been caught out by the new regs they weren't kept in the dark about them and the engines will still offer the best performance.
Don't forget how they could play around with engine modes and still win with ease. I'd certainly not bet against a Merc WCC and WDC.
They're hardly going to say any different are they, that'd do a lot for the sponsors, team morale and customers wouldn't it! Merc haven't been caught out by the new regs they weren't kept in the dark about them and the engines will still offer the best performance.
Don't forget how they could play around with engine modes and still win with ease. I'd certainly not bet against a Merc WCC and WDC.
As for the engines, again your making massive assumptions. Renault have a works team again and so there might have been quite a lot of development gone into their PU, and who knows what Honda have been up to!
I agree, you'd be daft to bet against Merc taking the WCC and WDC for a fourth time based purely on the last three years but nothing is a dead cert.
History shows what can happen following a major reg's change so it's anyone's guess at this moment. We can speculate all we want but until Q3 in Melbourne, no-one knows a thing!
I'll sticki it on stone:
Merc 1-2 in race
Williams 3rd and a 5th for Stroll.....(that could really bite me in the backside and haunt me...lol)
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