Ayrton Senna is overrated. Discuss...
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I'll have to see if I can dig out some of those as a few are before my time.
I was watching this one the other day and wasn't massively impressed.
http://youtu.be/k5xLiQJdmck
I was watching this one the other day and wasn't massively impressed.
http://youtu.be/k5xLiQJdmck
London424 said:
Was the race I posted not a wet race? My point was he wasn't "untouchable" in the wet.
Actually as a driver he was. Spain in 91 McLaren had a really poor weekend so it's a bad example- maybe before your time though?
Go watch the others I mentioned & then see if you revise your opinion.....
chrismc1977 said:
London424 said:
Was the race I posted not a wet race? My point was he wasn't "untouchable" in the wet.
Actually as a driver he was. Spain in 91 McLaren had a really poor weekend so it's a bad example- maybe before your time though?
Go watch the others I mentioned & then see if you revise your opinion.....
I forget which year, but one race in Australia (I think) was held in monsoon like conditions, and in pulling out to pass a backmarker, he ploughed into another backmarker (Possibly Brundle) and took his left front clean off.
On his way back to the pits to retire, he passed another car....
On his way back to the pits to retire, he passed another car....
FeelingLucky said:
Evangelion said:
Nobody is further away from being a Senna fan than I am, but even I have to admit that his opening lap at Donington in '93 is the greatest bit of driving I've ever seen.
The single greatest lap I've ever witnessed.FeelingLucky said:
I forget which year, but one race in Australia (I think) was held in monsoon like conditions, and in pulling out to pass a backmarker, he ploughed into another backmarker (Possibly Brundle) and took his left front clean off.
On his way back to the pits to retire, he passed another car....
Australian GP in 89.On his way back to the pits to retire, he passed another car....
The race would never have gone ahead in today's era.
Senna indeed hit Martin Brundle up the chuff
Smollet said:
Hard to think of one better I agree although Stewart's opening lap in I think the 68 German GP at the Ring in the wet comes close.
Absolutely Toby but as it wasn't televised it doesn't lodge in the consciousness like Senna's does. And . of course , you have to be really old to recall '68 don't you...I seem to recall Senna actually being quite self deprecatory (unusually so for a man who was rarely troubled by self esteem issues)about the drive, given how laden with technology the car was. As were the others of course.
The single most impressive (and I use the word advisedly )wet weather drive I have seen in televised motor sport was Damon Hill's battle with Schumacher at Suzuka - that was bloody heroic stuff
Edited by coppice on Tuesday 27th September 07:24
chrismc1977 said:
FeelingLucky said:
I forget which year, but one race in Australia (I think) was held in monsoon like conditions, and in pulling out to pass a backmarker, he ploughed into another backmarker (Possibly Brundle) and took his left front clean off.
On his way back to the pits to retire, he passed another car....
Australian GP in 89.On his way back to the pits to retire, he passed another car....
The race would never have gone ahead in today's era.
Senna indeed hit Martin Brundle up the chuff
coppice said:
Absolutely Toby but as it wasn't televised it doesn't lodge in the consciousness like Senna's does. And . of course , you have to be really old to recall '68 don't you...
I seem to recall Senna actually being quite self deprecatory (unusually so for a man who was rarely troubled by self esteem issues)about the drive, given how laden with technology the car was. As were the others of course.
The single most impressive (and I use the word advisedly )wet weather drive I have seen in televised motor sport was Damon Hill's battle with Schumacher at Suzuka - that was bloody heroic stuff
It probably WAS televised live at the time. The German GP was on of the few that was covered by TV before the post Hunt explosion in the mid 1970s. However, I doubt if a recording exists of the race (I my be wrong) and, precisely because it was the Nurburgring in wet and misty conditions, it probably doesn't make great TV anyway. Clips of the TV coverage of the 1969 German GP are on you tube.I seem to recall Senna actually being quite self deprecatory (unusually so for a man who was rarely troubled by self esteem issues)about the drive, given how laden with technology the car was. As were the others of course.
The single most impressive (and I use the word advisedly )wet weather drive I have seen in televised motor sport was Damon Hill's battle with Schumacher at Suzuka - that was bloody heroic stuff
Edited by coppice on Tuesday 27th September 07:24
I am old enough to remember watching Jo Siffert win the 1968 British GP at Brands Hatch on TV.
Oddly enough, the only GP I recall seeing on TV in that era was the '67 Italian- brilliant race , as you will know , with Clark making the mother of all recovery drives, falling at final hurdle and Surtees the surprise winner after Brabham ran wide. I haven't checked but that's what I recall - yikes- 49 years later
FeelingLucky said:
chrismc1977 said:
FeelingLucky said:
I forget which year, but one race in Australia (I think) was held in monsoon like conditions, and in pulling out to pass a backmarker, he ploughed into another backmarker (Possibly Brundle) and took his left front clean off.
On his way back to the pits to retire, he passed another car....
Australian GP in 89.On his way back to the pits to retire, he passed another car....
The race would never have gone ahead in today's era.
Senna indeed hit Martin Brundle up the chuff
chrismc1977 said:
FeelingLucky said:
I forget which year, but one race in Australia (I think) was held in monsoon like conditions, and in pulling out to pass a backmarker, he ploughed into another backmarker (Possibly Brundle) and took his left front clean off.
On his way back to the pits to retire, he passed another car....
Australian GP in 89.On his way back to the pits to retire, he passed another car....
The race would never have gone ahead in today's era.
Senna indeed hit Martin Brundle up the chuff
The 1968 German GP is rightly celebrated as one of the great rain-soaked victories, but Clark's win at Spa in 1963 seems even more fantastic - lapped everybody bar Bruce McLaren, and his winning margin was nearly 5 minutes. And he had to hold it in top gear to keep it from jumping out.
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