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Pugster said:
I doubt it. I'm betting these old systems use a serial port to communicate and that's something modern hardware doesn't come with.
You get problems using USB to serial converters especially with old software combined with the dongles they'll be using.
If you're stuck using old hardware and you might as well use the original OS's which aren't hard to find anyway. Old hardware is more difficult unless you know where to look because it's mostly been skipped already.
I had a brief conversation with a McLaren engineer at Goodwood one year when they were preparing to do a systems check on MP4/4 and the laptop was a similar vintage to the car and he said the same theing, it is not the software that's the problem, it's the hardware required to talk to the car.You get problems using USB to serial converters especially with old software combined with the dongles they'll be using.
If you're stuck using old hardware and you might as well use the original OS's which aren't hard to find anyway. Old hardware is more difficult unless you know where to look because it's mostly been skipped already.
pedromorgan said:
Ok, Question from a thickie....
I was at GPlive at donnington about 6 or 7 years ago. The Euroboss cars were fantastic to watch! event orginasition was woefull!
During the event, A laptop that plugs into one of the cars was "removed" from a pit garage.
How big a deal is that? can a car even be started without it? would the software be replaceable?
Also, for the teams that still exist, are they friendly towards people trying to run their old cars?
Peter
A pair of very expensive steering wheels from GP2 cars were stolen at that meeting as well. As has been mentioned alot of the late cars won't start without the laptop.I was at GPlive at donnington about 6 or 7 years ago. The Euroboss cars were fantastic to watch! event orginasition was woefull!
During the event, A laptop that plugs into one of the cars was "removed" from a pit garage.
How big a deal is that? can a car even be started without it? would the software be replaceable?
Also, for the teams that still exist, are they friendly towards people trying to run their old cars?
Peter
I don't have much to add other than this has been the most interesting 30 minutes I have spent reading in a long time! And that your test rig looks very familiar to me, it's amazing how many "very high tech" products even in the military aerospace sector rely on ancient computer hardware!
Been searching for some parts today and in the process assembled this:
That's every F1 dash/cockpit from 1986 to 1996 for a certain team
You can see the development as displays got more complex with more data available, the latest one is the small screen behind wheel dash from 96, in 97 the screen moved to the wheel and ever since more and more control and functionality has migrated there. We really need to dispose of some of this stuff though, as lovely as it is to have around it doesn't half get tiring sifting through box after box because you need a spare dash display!
That's every F1 dash/cockpit from 1986 to 1996 for a certain team
You can see the development as displays got more complex with more data available, the latest one is the small screen behind wheel dash from 96, in 97 the screen moved to the wheel and ever since more and more control and functionality has migrated there. We really need to dispose of some of this stuff though, as lovely as it is to have around it doesn't half get tiring sifting through box after box because you need a spare dash display!poppopbangbang said:
Been searching for some parts today and in the process assembled this:
That's every F1 dash/cockpit from 1986 to 1996 for a certain team You can see the development as displays got more complex with more data available, the latest one is the small screen behind wheel dash from 96, in 97 the screen moved to the wheel and ever since more and more control and functionality has migrated there. We really need to dispose of some of this stuff though, as lovely as it is to have around it doesn't half get tiring sifting through box after box because you need a spare dash display!
So does the Minardi Ferrari still have a Ferrari engine? My personal favourite was the M189 - looked right in the black/yellow/white livery. I'd love one of those in the garage, or a Dallara 191. Not too exotic, but presumably a bit more affordable than the 'names'?That's every F1 dash/cockpit from 1986 to 1996 for a certain team
You can see the development as displays got more complex with more data available, the latest one is the small screen behind wheel dash from 96, in 97 the screen moved to the wheel and ever since more and more control and functionality has migrated there. We really need to dispose of some of this stuff though, as lovely as it is to have around it doesn't half get tiring sifting through box after box because you need a spare dash display!dr_gn said:
So does the Minardi Ferrari still have a Ferrari engine? My personal favourite was the M189 - looked right in the black/yellow/white livery. I'd love one of those in the garage, or a Dallara 191. Not too exotic, but presumably a bit more affordable than the 'names'?
It does indeed. The Lamborghini Minardi is still rocking Lambo power too. M189 is a lovely bit of kit and a personal favourite of mine too. That and the 198 and 02.
Mellow Yellow in action here http://youtu.be/hsou22xMkgE
Edited by poppopbangbang on Saturday 18th January 23:09
poppopbangbang said:
Vaud - Minardi PS05 wing. They had the Lost Boys sponsorship after Arrows went bump.
Ah yes, thanks.Out of interest, what route does stuff take if it is damaged beyond repair? Sold to 3rd parties for ebay to recover some costs? I always fancied a wing/end plates on my study wall; lots for sale in perfect condition but battle scars never bothered me...
Vaud said:
Ah yes, thanks.
Out of interest, what route does stuff take if it is damaged beyond repair? Sold to 3rd parties for ebay to recover some costs? I always fancied a wing/end plates on my study wall; lots for sale in perfect condition but battle scars never bothered me...
If it got damaged at the time it usually went straight in the skip at circuit. No point paying to ship broken bits around! Hence why so many on e-bay etc. are mint as they would have been the ones that survived the season. Out of interest, what route does stuff take if it is damaged beyond repair? Sold to 3rd parties for ebay to recover some costs? I always fancied a wing/end plates on my study wall; lots for sale in perfect condition but battle scars never bothered me...
I can do you a whole floor at a good price. They make a lovely desk when turned upside down
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