Ecclestone trial date set
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
At this point, I think he'll be more worried about fellow inmates, like Klaus von Bangenbum.
Bernie will never see the inside of a prison cell. I would imagine there is a good chance he won't even see the courtroom. {plea bargain?)However, we will wait and see what effect it has on his running of F1 long term. Dependant on who uses it an excuse to get rid of him there maybe scores to settle.
Despite the fact that the few people on here who have spent some time in the pleasure of her Majesty have denied that it has ever happened, nice to see the PH myth of "Big Bubba in the shower," raising its head again.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Bernie will never see the inside of a prison cell. I would imagine there is a good chance he won't even see the courtroom. {plea bargain?)
However, we will wait and see what effect it has on his running of F1 long term. Dependant on who uses it an excuse to get rid of him there maybe scores to settle.
It is remarkable that he had been indicted as Sylt, in Pitpass.com, who is normally so careful to give balanced reports, said that this was very unlikely, almost impossible was the impression I got. However, we will wait and see what effect it has on his running of F1 long term. Dependant on who uses it an excuse to get rid of him there maybe scores to settle.
He probably won't get punished as such. He might get a sort of fine, rather pay compensation, but he won't go inside, as you say.
The effect on F1 is the most important aspect. This will hit the flotation. I'm by no means an expert on such matters but the way I understand it, the most likely scenario is that the rights will be sold of piecemeal to suits. It will be unlikely to ever be in one person's or one company's control again.
The most important aspect of the sale would appear to have been that nothing would have changed. With the exit of Ecclestone, despite him saying he'll still be doing the day to say work, this doesn't run.
I can't work out whether this is good news or not.
The new season will show I suppose. If, as seems possible, Ecclestone is yesterday's man then there will, I would assume, be an unholy battle for supremacy in the sport. FOCA being reformed as a viable pressure group? Todt coming out to take the lead?
Given there is a new formula, this is probably the worst time for this to happen. All rather worrying.
Who would have thought: one of Sylt's pronouncements being wrong. What's F1 coming to?
"It is remarkable that he had been indicted as Sylt, in Pitpass.com, who is normally so careful to give balanced reports, said that this was very unlikely, almost impossible was the impression I got.
He probably won't get punished as such. He might get a sort of fine, rather pay compensation, but he won't go inside, as you say. "
I don't know what the situation is in Germany, but in this country, would they not have to surrender themselves to the court? When he arrives at court, would he not be taken into custody?
this is not a civil action like the UK trial. This is in a whole different league.
I have no knowledge of the German legal system. I would certainly like to get some from someone who actually knows what they are talking about!
will he get bail? He would certainly be considered a flight risk (he has his own private jet for a start!!!).
David, you mention that he will probably take a plea deal. Its my understanding that this happens in the movies allot more than real life. But I have no idea about Germany. Do you have any guidance on the likelihood of that happening?
Chris Sylt's silence today has been most audible! ��
again, this is pure speculation, but I was under the impression that in Germany the giving of the bribe was a crime of the same order as receiving one. I would expect any sentence to be of a similar order to Gribkowsky's.
on a slightly different subject... The media have reported that he will still be in charge of the day to day running of F1.
The trial will make F1 a very touchy subject for investors. I bet there are allot of executives speaking in hushed tones in the corridors of Mercedes HQ.
This trial would make F1 a complete no-go for Japanese companies.
let us not forget the length of time the prosecutors have been preparing their case. They wouldn't go ahead with the trial unless they were pretty confident.
I know this is a minority view, but I fully expect him to see the inside of a cell. Even if its just for a few hours.
peter
He probably won't get punished as such. He might get a sort of fine, rather pay compensation, but he won't go inside, as you say. "
I don't know what the situation is in Germany, but in this country, would they not have to surrender themselves to the court? When he arrives at court, would he not be taken into custody?
this is not a civil action like the UK trial. This is in a whole different league.
I have no knowledge of the German legal system. I would certainly like to get some from someone who actually knows what they are talking about!
will he get bail? He would certainly be considered a flight risk (he has his own private jet for a start!!!).
David, you mention that he will probably take a plea deal. Its my understanding that this happens in the movies allot more than real life. But I have no idea about Germany. Do you have any guidance on the likelihood of that happening?
Chris Sylt's silence today has been most audible! ��
again, this is pure speculation, but I was under the impression that in Germany the giving of the bribe was a crime of the same order as receiving one. I would expect any sentence to be of a similar order to Gribkowsky's.
on a slightly different subject... The media have reported that he will still be in charge of the day to day running of F1.
The trial will make F1 a very touchy subject for investors. I bet there are allot of executives speaking in hushed tones in the corridors of Mercedes HQ.
This trial would make F1 a complete no-go for Japanese companies.
let us not forget the length of time the prosecutors have been preparing their case. They wouldn't go ahead with the trial unless they were pretty confident.
I know this is a minority view, but I fully expect him to see the inside of a cell. Even if its just for a few hours.
peter
pedromorgan said:
I don't know what the situation is in Germany, but in this country, would they not have to surrender themselves to the court? When he arrives at court, would he not be taken into custody?
this is not a civil action like the UK trial. This is in a whole different league.
I have no knowledge of the German legal system. I would certainly like to get some from someone who actually knows what they are talking about!
will he get bail? He would certainly be considered a flight risk (he has his own private jet for a start!!!).
David, you mention that he will probably take a plea deal. Its my understanding that this happens in the movies allot more than real life. But I have no idea about Germany. Do you have any guidance on the likelihood of that happening?
Chris Sylt's silence today has been most audible! ��
again, this is pure speculation, but I was under the impression that in Germany the giving of the bribe was a crime of the same order as receiving one. I would expect any sentence to be of a similar order to Gribkowsky's.
on a slightly different subject... The media have reported that he will still be in charge of the day to day running of F1.
The trial will make F1 a very touchy subject for investors. I bet there are allot of executives speaking in hushed tones in the corridors of Mercedes HQ.
This trial would make F1 a complete no-go for Japanese companies.
let us not forget the length of time the prosecutors have been preparing their case. They wouldn't go ahead with the trial unless they were pretty confident.
I know this is a minority view, but I fully expect him to see the inside of a cell. Even if its just for a few hours.
peter
I know nothing about German law procedures except for what I read last year when this charge was deemed as likely. this is not a civil action like the UK trial. This is in a whole different league.
I have no knowledge of the German legal system. I would certainly like to get some from someone who actually knows what they are talking about!
will he get bail? He would certainly be considered a flight risk (he has his own private jet for a start!!!).
David, you mention that he will probably take a plea deal. Its my understanding that this happens in the movies allot more than real life. But I have no idea about Germany. Do you have any guidance on the likelihood of that happening?
Chris Sylt's silence today has been most audible! ��
again, this is pure speculation, but I was under the impression that in Germany the giving of the bribe was a crime of the same order as receiving one. I would expect any sentence to be of a similar order to Gribkowsky's.
on a slightly different subject... The media have reported that he will still be in charge of the day to day running of F1.
The trial will make F1 a very touchy subject for investors. I bet there are allot of executives speaking in hushed tones in the corridors of Mercedes HQ.
This trial would make F1 a complete no-go for Japanese companies.
let us not forget the length of time the prosecutors have been preparing their case. They wouldn't go ahead with the trial unless they were pretty confident.
I know this is a minority view, but I fully expect him to see the inside of a cell. Even if its just for a few hours.
peter
It would appear that in Germany it is extremely unlikely to imprison someone of Ecclestone's age so any penalty is likely to be financial. It is possible for a negotiated settlement in the sense that the defence and prosecution get together to discuss the possible penalty. If we promise to fine you X then will you plead sort of thing.
I'm not sure I would read too much in the time that it took to bring the prosecution. If the evidence is overwhelming then the case is quick and easy to prepare. I've got the feeling, backed up by nothing other than guesses, that they waited until they saw Ecclestone's behaviour in his current civil case.
Once evidence is presented in the case I can see companies, big international companies, will have to come to a conclusion as to whether they can deal with someone who has been shown to be tainted. There are other aspects as well. Ecclestone was hardly impressive on a photo opportunity. He's also come out with some very odd statements of late.
His idea of still being in day to day control might be a hope, or wish, rather than an accurate description of where he'll be when the new season starts. We don't know. I'm not certain Ecclestone does either.
Its effect on F1? Now that's the important thing. Ecclestone hanging on by his fingertips will not be a positive I feel.
Derek Smith said:
It would appear that in Germany it is extremely unlikely to imprison someone of Ecclestone's age so any penalty is likely to be financial. It is possible for a negotiated settlement in the sense that the defence and prosecution get together to discuss the possible penalty. If we promise to fine you X then will you plead sort of thing.
I'm not sure I would read too much in the time that it took to bring the prosecution. If the evidence is overwhelming then the case is quick and easy to prepare. I've got the feeling, backed up by nothing other than guesses, that they waited until they saw Ecclestone's behaviour in his current civil case.
Once evidence is presented in the case I can see companies, big international companies, will have to come to a conclusion as to whether they can deal with someone who has been shown to be tainted. There are other aspects as well. Ecclestone was hardly impressive on a photo opportunity. He's also come out with some very odd statements of late.
It will be an interesting one. Punishment has to hurt. If he gets a fine he will walk out of the court, shrug his shoulders and carry on as normal. I'm not sure I would read too much in the time that it took to bring the prosecution. If the evidence is overwhelming then the case is quick and easy to prepare. I've got the feeling, backed up by nothing other than guesses, that they waited until they saw Ecclestone's behaviour in his current civil case.
Once evidence is presented in the case I can see companies, big international companies, will have to come to a conclusion as to whether they can deal with someone who has been shown to be tainted. There are other aspects as well. Ecclestone was hardly impressive on a photo opportunity. He's also come out with some very odd statements of late.
Again I dont know how it works in Germany, But in the UK a fine is calculated as a proportion of your income. this frankly would be compleatly irellavent for Ecclestone.
David, your point about the ammount of time it has taken to prepoare the case is a good one. I hadnt thought of it like that.
Anyway. it will be an interesting case. But I seriously wish we could get an expert on germal law. we need a Gary Hartstein of the criminal world!
Peter
Derek Smith said:
It is remarkable that he had been indicted as Sylt, in Pitpass.com, who is normally so careful to give balanced reports, said that this was very unlikely, almost impossible was the impression I got.
Balanced reports? I thought most of his recent reports were written by Bernie!Chrisgr31 said:
Derek Smith said:
It is remarkable that he had been indicted as Sylt, in Pitpass.com, who is normally so careful to give balanced reports, said that this was very unlikely, almost impossible was the impression I got.
Balanced reports? I thought most of his recent reports were written by Bernie!As you say, they give the impression of being written by Ecclestone, or an least an apologist for him. I used to like Pitpass but now it seems it is the main outlet for Ecclestone. I've read newspapers quoting PP as a source.
I read a leader in Motor Sport, I think, on Ecclestone and the comparison was outstanding. That said, PP is free and MS charges. I can see why.
The Hypno-Toad said:
mybrainhurts said:
At this point, I think he'll be more worried about fellow inmates, like Klaus von Bangenbum.
Bernie will never see the inside of a prison cell. I would imagine there is a good chance he won't even see the courtroom. {plea bargain?)However, we will wait and see what effect it has on his running of F1 long term. Dependant on who uses it an excuse to get rid of him there maybe scores to settle.
Despite the fact that the few people on here who have spent some time in the pleasure of her Majesty have denied that it has ever happened, nice to see the PH myth of "Big Bubba in the shower," raising its head again.
..<-------You do that so well, amazing.Oh, all right then, I admit I was out of order to crack a whimsy within a solemn discussion like this.
I withdraw it, unconditionally...
Bet they'll have a dwarf tossing competition every Wednesday afternoon, though
Edited by mybrainhurts on Sunday 19th January 01:18
Interesting article on some of the problems facing the sport post Ecclestone.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
Derek Smith said:
Interesting article on some of the problems facing the sport post Ecclestone.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
Mmm, for all his faults I can't see decisions by committee leading to anything better. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
pedromorgan said:
It will be an interesting one. Punishment has to hurt. If he gets a fine he will walk out of the court, shrug his shoulders and carry on as normal.
Again I dont know how it works in Germany, But in the UK a fine is calculated as a proportion of your income. this frankly would be compleatly irellavent for Ecclestone.
David, your point about the ammount of time it has taken to prepoare the case is a good one. I hadnt thought of it like that.
Anyway. it will be an interesting case. But I seriously wish we could get an expert on germal law. we need a Gary Hartstein of the criminal world!
Peter
According to The Times this morning if Ecclestone loses the case he's looking at a £250mil lawsuit from West LB (the bank that sold to CVC). Also the judge that found Gribkowsky guilty is also presiding over Ecclestone's hearing.Again I dont know how it works in Germany, But in the UK a fine is calculated as a proportion of your income. this frankly would be compleatly irellavent for Ecclestone.
David, your point about the ammount of time it has taken to prepoare the case is a good one. I hadnt thought of it like that.
Anyway. it will be an interesting case. But I seriously wish we could get an expert on germal law. we need a Gary Hartstein of the criminal world!
Peter
Eccelstone's real problem is that if he's been seen be part of a transaction where a German bank has been defrauded of money IMHO....a bank that has since been bailed out by the German Govt. Imagine if some German financier had been part of a deal that had defrauded RBS of £250mil!
Edited by Cheib on Monday 20th January 16:28
gwm said:
Derek Smith said:
Interesting article on some of the problems facing the sport post Ecclestone.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
Mmm, for all his faults I can't see decisions by committee leading to anything better. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formul...
What we must have is someone/a team/small committee looking to the medium term for what is good for F1.
What happens to Ecclestone is of no importance apart from its effect on F1.
pedromorgan said:
Cheib said:
Also the judge that found Gribkowsky guilty is also presiding over Ecclestone's hearing.
Outstanding!There was also something else in the papers the other day saying that the court or type of hearing selected indicates that there is a high chance of him being found guilty.
He's f
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