Your one piece of advice for Daniel Ricciardo this season:

Your one piece of advice for Daniel Ricciardo this season:

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TheExcession

11,669 posts

249 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Mojocvh said:
You missed out the little bit about being advised that the fuel flow was high, by the FIA, during the race and did nothing to correct it = BANG TO RIGHTS.
You missed out the point that maybe all their engine maps were at fault and there was nothing they could actually do about the peak flow.

Driving by wire on a throttle pedal gives you no control of the fuel pressure on the rails nor the squirt duration of the injectors.

Perhaps the only thing RBR could have done was to advise Ricciardo 'Don't let the revs above 2,500' - so either retire the car or race to the end and try your luck in an appeal.


GrumpyTwig

3,354 posts

156 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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It's just what's needed at the start of the season, more bickering and fighting over rules, some of which are no doubt important but at the pinnacle of motorsport to restrict fuelling i.e. set a maximum mpg is just ridiculous imo


rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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TheExcession said:
You missed out the point that maybe all their engine maps were at fault and there was nothing they could actually do about the peak flow.

Driving by wire on a throttle pedal gives you no control of the fuel pressure on the rails nor the squirt duration of the injectors.

Perhaps the only thing RBR could have done was to advise Ricciardo 'Don't let the revs above 2,500' - so either retire the car or race to the end and try your luck in an appeal.
You missed out the point that the FIA sensor, no matter whether faulty or not, was the ONLY certain legal flow sensor that RBR KNEW they could use for the race. It was TOTALLY THEIR choice to replace it. I think it very likely they will drop their threat to appeal.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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GrumpyTwig said:
It's just what's needed at the start of the season, more bickering and fighting over rules, some of which are no doubt important but at the pinnacle of motorsport to restrict fuelling i.e. set a maximum mpg is just ridiculous imo
Well yes I agree, BUT the recovery systems are "maturing" and if in todays political climate eventually allow motorsports to continue in the future.......

Shivit

170 posts

120 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Are they going to try the "we were trying to cool the turbo by over fuelling" defence?

Leithen

10,800 posts

266 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Shivit said:
Are they going to try the "we were trying to cool the turbo by over fuelling" defence?
One or both of two defences will most likely be presented.

1. The you don't know your arse from your elbow defence involving the insistence that their own measurements are irreproachable and there is therefore no need for FIA sensors to monitor such things. Having had this revelation Red Bull have decided to no longer allow any scrutineering of their cars as it's consequently inconceivable that any part of their cars would ever contravene regulations.

2. The I was the best man of the bloke who runs this sport don't you know defence.

Steamer

13,845 posts

212 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Mojocvh said:
GrumpyTwig said:
It's just what's needed at the start of the season, more bickering and fighting over rules, some of which are no doubt important but at the pinnacle of motorsport to restrict fuelling i.e. set a maximum mpg is just ridiculous imo
Well yes I agree, BUT the recovery systems are "maturing" and if in todays political climate eventually allow motorsports to continue in the future.......
But they still opted to have a frickin' fighter jet plane doing an airshow overhead before the start of the race FFS!!

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Steamer said:
Mojocvh said:
GrumpyTwig said:
It's just what's needed at the start of the season, more bickering and fighting over rules, some of which are no doubt important but at the pinnacle of motorsport to restrict fuelling i.e. set a maximum mpg is just ridiculous imo
Well yes I agree, BUT the recovery systems are "maturing" and if in todays political climate eventually allow motorsports to continue in the future.......
But they still opted to have a frickin' fighter jet plane doing an airshow overhead before the start of the race FFS!!
With laser too!

@ the OP.... don't let the b@stards grind you down..

Reardy Mister

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13,757 posts

221 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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I wonder if they relayed any of the unfolding saga in the pits, to Daniel during the race?




HarryFlatters

4,203 posts

211 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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The only thing I'd say to him is "illigitimi non carborundum", or however you spell it...

dele

1,270 posts

193 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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Reardy Mister said:
I wonder if they relayed any of the unfolding saga in the pits, to Daniel during the race?
I doubt it, it seems a bit like RBR used Daniel's car as a Guinea pig, unless Vettel's car was also falling foul of the fuel flow rules?

Just seems a bit off to me that one car dominates while the other one turned into a dog

Jimmm

2,500 posts

182 months

Monday 17th March 2014
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dele said:
...Just seems a bit off to me that one car dominates while the other one turned into a dog...
Sums up Red Bull for the last 5 years for me wink

CocoUK

951 posts

181 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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"Give back to Mark his 'lucky rabbits foot'."

MGJohn

10,203 posts

182 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Keep smiling. It will come good.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

182 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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REALIST123 said:
Bradgate said:
Given his performance this weekend, I really don't think Daniel needs our advice.
First sensible post of the thread .......
Too right mate. Surprised how well he has shaped up so soon.

In both races so far he's clearly demonstrated Red Bull made the right decision promoting him from TorroRoso and not chosing any of the bigger names available at the time. Very impressive dealing with the Spanish 2WDC on Sunday. Most impressive in fact and his showing on home ground also very impressive irrespective of any alleged fuel supply boost issues..

Things can only get better.

Some say said:
He was given Vettel's car in Aus ...
Not me. ... they may have given Vettel his car though in Aus... rofl

Walford

2,259 posts

165 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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See if they will let you read your own meter and phone the reading in to a call center in India

CocoUK

951 posts

181 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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See if they will let you operate your own wheel-gun and change the tyres in your pit-stop.

See if they will let you operate your own front-wheel jack and lift the car in your pit-stop.

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

232 months

Tuesday 1st April 2014
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As said I don't think that he needs too much help from us lot other than a bit of support. If he were to ask me what I thought though it's quite simple:-

"You've proved over two weekends that you deserved this gig and you have driven and acted, even in the face of adversity, like the WDC in waiting I always believed you to be since I first met you at Oulton Park; a fresh faced Aussie kid with a massive smile pointing out the British F3 Championship trophy and showing the other drivers where they'd be adding your name."

Track Rod

247 posts

146 months

Wednesday 9th April 2014
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DON'T pull his finger.....

zac510

5,546 posts

205 months

Sunday 13th April 2014
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"Don't read the internet forums" smile