Is Vettel overrated?
Poll: Is Vettel overrated?
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Jasandjules said:
What about Multi 21? Because Webber didn't want to let him past. Vettel had to fight for it. THEN Webber couldn't retake the position.
Come again!?...Your memory seems a little hazy on the subject, the TEAM tell BOTH drivers to hold position till the end of the race, so I can only presume webber would back off a touch and not push quite as hard as normal, little did know he had a slimey cock wobbler behind him that has no intention of following these orders.
If I was webber, I'd have taken Zee German out after he played such dirty tactics.
stephen300o said:
But then Mr Hamilton is in the fastest car now, same thing.
But Lewis as a rookie was at the very least equal to Alonso and Seb arguably never had an equal.Seb has Helmet licking his arse, Lewis can be a pain in the arse.
Both had great wins in the wet but a win like in Bahrain will take some beating.
entropy said:
Jasandjules said:
What about Multi 21? Because Webber didn't want to let him past. Vettel had to fight for it. THEN Webber couldn't retake the position.
History will concentrate on the controversy, not as an example of Seb as a racer.Frankly I don't really care about the debacle. Some fans are fickle - we went from one period when the consensus disliked team orders to expecting Vettel to obey team orders. It was a good excuse to paint Seb as the villain just as "Fernando is faster than you" was another reason to bash Alonso - ironically no longer pantomime villain du jour, huge respect these days after being a c**t in 2007.
.. Well posted that poster ... 
stephen300o said:
But then Mr Hamilton is in the fastest car now, same thing.
The tussling with Nico last time out says to me that he needed more than outright pace to win. He may have the fastest car for now but it is perhaps (very perceptively from the fans persepctive) his ability to dog fight under pressure. Not saying this is better or worse than vettels style. All the commentators used to say Hamilton was too aggressive for the limitations of fuel supply and tyre degradation while Verttel would nurse a set of tyres longer while doing faster lap times at the front and doing a bonzai lap at the end.A bonzai lap? Is that the one where he branches off into the pitlane and leaves?
P.S. I agree with your suggestion that the tyres were favouring Seb's strengths, perhaps this season's tyres are a bit kinder to Hamilton. I did think that Lewis never really came to terms with the fragile tyres of the last few seasons, his strength seems to be when he's free to go flat out. But I think Seb's pretty good at going flat out too.
P.S. I agree with your suggestion that the tyres were favouring Seb's strengths, perhaps this season's tyres are a bit kinder to Hamilton. I did think that Lewis never really came to terms with the fragile tyres of the last few seasons, his strength seems to be when he's free to go flat out. But I think Seb's pretty good at going flat out too.
Edited by Alfanatic on Thursday 17th April 09:44
Edited by Alfanatic on Thursday 17th April 09:45
jediali said:
Alfanatic said:
A bonzai lap? Is that the one where he branches off into the pitlane and leaves?
The one that gives horner a nervous breakdownEdited by Alfanatic on Thursday 17th April 09:44
Edited by Alfanatic on Thursday 17th April 09:45
Alfanatic said:
A bonzai lap? Is that the one where he branches off into the pitlane and leaves?
P.S. I agree with your suggestion that the tyres were favouring Seb's strengths, perhaps this season's tyres are a bit kinder to Hamilton. I did think that Lewis never really came to terms with the fragile tyres of the last few seasons, his strength seems to be when he's free to go flat out. But I think Seb's pretty good at going flat out too.
Seb likes to go flat out full stop. From pole he likes to storm into a commanding lead and even in a dominant race he wants to do it in style by still wanting to go quickly and set fastest laps but the team don't like it because it makes them sweat.P.S. I agree with your suggestion that the tyres were favouring Seb's strengths, perhaps this season's tyres are a bit kinder to Hamilton. I did think that Lewis never really came to terms with the fragile tyres of the last few seasons, his strength seems to be when he's free to go flat out. But I think Seb's pretty good at going flat out too.
Edited by Alfanatic on Thursday 17th April 09:44
Edited by Alfanatic on Thursday 17th April 09:45
I think Seb is a very good racer and a great tactician, but he does lose his cool from time to time (collision with team mate for one).
I see him as a better version of Jenson Button. Given the right car they will do well or win a race, whereas Lewis and Alonso will simply drive the wheels of a shopping cart and do relatively well.
I see him as a better version of Jenson Button. Given the right car they will do well or win a race, whereas Lewis and Alonso will simply drive the wheels of a shopping cart and do relatively well.
vxr8mate said:
I think Seb is a very good racer and a great tactician, but he does lose his cool from time to time (collision with team mate for one).
I see him as a better version of Jenson Button. Given the right car they will do well or win a race, whereas Lewis and Alonso will simply drive the wheels of a shopping cart and do relatively well.
Winning 9 in a row suggest a little more than that!I see him as a better version of Jenson Button. Given the right car they will do well or win a race, whereas Lewis and Alonso will simply drive the wheels of a shopping cart and do relatively well.
oyster said:
vxr8mate said:
I think Seb is a very good racer and a great tactician, but he does lose his cool from time to time (collision with team mate for one).
I see him as a better version of Jenson Button. Given the right car they will do well or win a race, whereas Lewis and Alonso will simply drive the wheels of a shopping cart and do relatively well.
Winning 9 in a row suggest a little more than that!I see him as a better version of Jenson Button. Given the right car they will do well or win a race, whereas Lewis and Alonso will simply drive the wheels of a shopping cart and do relatively well.
vxr8mate said:
I think Seb is a very good racer and a great tactician, but he does lose his cool from time to time (collision with team mate for one).
I see him as a better version of Jenson Button. Given the right car they will do well or win a race, whereas Lewis and Alonso will simply drive the wheels of a shopping cart and do relatively well.
I see alonso as even more of a tactician, he's always working out what the others are doing, he's even told the team mid race that 'a driver' has just done this, or that, so we need to react, but he can also drive like a jedi. That's why imo he's the best of em.I see him as a better version of Jenson Button. Given the right car they will do well or win a race, whereas Lewis and Alonso will simply drive the wheels of a shopping cart and do relatively well.
MGJohn said:
MG CHRIS said:
Do you know what I find more boring than watching f1 bar the Bahrain gp which was good is threads like this which solves nothing and just goes round in circles with a few posters arguing there point.
Then we're in good company even Lewis Hamilton goes round and round in circles at least fifty plus times usually every other weekend in the season.... Lighten up Chaps. Life's too short. It really is ...
More Boring threads ... include yourself out then. NEVER found F1 boring.
Hmm.. comfortably out-qualified by his teammate, in the wet, leaves me erring more toward "overrated" with each race, even though I originally voted "apparently".
No excuses this time though and quite humble about it.
Funny how performance wavers for some when the car isn't a world beater (meaning of course he now has to try 100% like the rest, than drive at 95% and beast the field mistake-free).
I blame the a$$-licking pundits mostly.
No excuses this time though and quite humble about it.
Funny how performance wavers for some when the car isn't a world beater (meaning of course he now has to try 100% like the rest, than drive at 95% and beast the field mistake-free).
I blame the a$$-licking pundits mostly.
Jasandjules said:
I must confess I am quite shocked at his lack of performance compared to his team mate. Wonder whether the car will be adjusted soon enough and he'll dial in..
We might be seeing the start of the next top driver. Ric might be tremendously naturally talented, but it is a bit early to say that.I seem to remember that Vettel had problems with his car today. Or did I make that up?
Whatever, I think it is too early to say he's overrated.
It's a Benson article, but anyways.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27087057
Vettel said: "There's nothing between the cars so if he beats me he beats me fair and square. That's not to my liking. I know I have to do a little bit better."
If he has said that, fair play to him for putting his hand up to it. I do like Ricciardo, in and out of the car. He comes across as a decent guy, and he's racey and won't back down and be No.2 because it's Vettel in the other car.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27087057
Vettel said: "There's nothing between the cars so if he beats me he beats me fair and square. That's not to my liking. I know I have to do a little bit better."
If he has said that, fair play to him for putting his hand up to it. I do like Ricciardo, in and out of the car. He comes across as a decent guy, and he's racey and won't back down and be No.2 because it's Vettel in the other car.
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