Is Vettel overrated?
Poll: Is Vettel overrated?
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slipstream 1985 said:
stephen300o said:
Maybe Mark wasn't that great.
couldn't even come second in a dominant car. I dont rate him either.And I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that, which is what he deserves for being such a terrible professional racing driver.
Breath through your nose, son.
SuperDude said:
slipstream 1985 said:
stephen300o said:
Maybe Mark wasn't that great.
couldn't even come second in a dominant car. I dont rate him either.And I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that, which is what he deserves for being such a terrible professional racing driver.
Breath through your nose, son.
edited to add. 3rd 3rd 6th 3rd the last 4 years championship finishing positions. teammate those years
1st 1st 1st 1sr
Edited by slipstream 1985 on Sunday 20th April 09:40
SuperDude said:
slipstream 1985 said:
stephen300o said:
Maybe Mark wasn't that great.
couldn't even come second in a dominant car. I dont rate him either.And I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that, which is what he deserves for being such a terrible professional racing driver.
Breath through your nose, son.
slipstream 1985 said:
stephen300o said:
Maybe Mark wasn't that great.
couldn't even come second in a dominant car. I dont rate him either.I think it's more likely that Mark just didn't like the car design, it's not exactly unknown that all the drivers have their preferred setup and if Mark couldn't get on with a car designed around Vettel then there wouldn't have been much he could have done about it.
Let us not forget that Mark still had 9 wins and 13 poles, so it's not as if he was a bad driver! Just probably not quite as consistent or as suited to the car as Vettel was.
slipstream 1985 said:
SuperDude said:
slipstream 1985 said:
stephen300o said:
Maybe Mark wasn't that great.
couldn't even come second in a dominant car. I dont rate him either.And I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that, which is what he deserves for being such a terrible professional racing driver.
Breath through your nose, son.
edited to add. 3rd 3rd 6th 3rd the last 4 years championship finishing positions. teammate those years
1st 1st 1st 1sr
Edited by slipstream 1985 on Sunday 20th April 09:40
Mark Webber was one of the most respected racing drivers on that grid. He fought hard and fair, and was lightning fast. His failing during the latter parts of his F1 career were down to Vettel having lightning one lap pace, plus the backing of the entire team. The overtakes and accidents he was involved in were, frankly, breath taking at times. I'm talking his move on Alonso at Spa, or the times he's flipped his car at high speed - and yet he consistantly(sic) got back in and gave it everything. Even, at one stage, with a broken leg.
You don't rate him as a driver? Fine. You do that. Meanwhile the rest of us will appreciate that racing, at any level, does not begin and end with the driver. There's more to it. Mark Webber didn't get the job done, we all know this, but tell me you don't rate him, that just says more about your appreciation of the sport than it does of the driver.
Interesting discussion around why Seb is being outperformed by Daniel...
Looks like Seb's struggling to get to grips with the lower down-force this year but Daniel is more used to the lack and has adjusted better. That might account for some of the difference today but it looked like DR was substantially faster for the bulk of the race.
Looks like Seb's struggling to get to grips with the lower down-force this year but Daniel is more used to the lack and has adjusted better. That might account for some of the difference today but it looked like DR was substantially faster for the bulk of the race.
IainT said:
Interesting discussion around why Seb is being outperformed by Daniel...
Looks like Seb's struggling to get to grips with the lower down-force this year but Daniel is more used to the lack and has adjusted better. That might account for some of the difference today but it looked like DR was substantially faster for the bulk of the race.
IMO this is a kop-out being spouted by the pundits to excuse their over-zealous loving of him in recent seasons. Neither driver has suggested either.Looks like Seb's struggling to get to grips with the lower down-force this year but Daniel is more used to the lack and has adjusted better. That might account for some of the difference today but it looked like DR was substantially faster for the bulk of the race.
The job of a driver is to get the max out of the machinery regardless of the machinery. If they can't do this, then it only serves to highlight further failings, not viable excuses.
OTOH Maybe this tosh explains why Vettel could only manage a 1:44.0 in the downforceless reasonably priced car and Lewis could do a 1:42.9?
mattikake said:
IainT said:
Interesting discussion around why Seb is being outperformed by Daniel... Looks like Seb's struggling to get to grips with the lower down-force this year but Daniel is more used to the lack and has adjusted better. That might account for some of the difference today but it looked like DR was substantially faster for the bulk of the race.
IMO this is a kop-out being spouted by the pundits to excuse their over-zealous loving of him in recent seasons. Neither driver has suggested either. The job of a driver is to get the max out of the machinery regardless of the machinery. If they can't do this, then it only serves to highlight further failings, not viable excuses. OTOH Maybe this tosh explains why Vettel could only manage a 1:44.0 in the downforceless reasonably priced car and Lewis could do a 1:42.9? mattikake said:
IainT said:
Interesting discussion around why Seb is being outperformed by Daniel...
Looks like Seb's struggling to get to grips with the lower down-force this year but Daniel is more used to the lack and has adjusted better. That might account for some of the difference today but it looked like DR was substantially faster for the bulk of the race.
IMO this is a kop-out being spouted by the pundits to excuse their over-zealous loving of him in recent seasons.Looks like Seb's struggling to get to grips with the lower down-force this year but Daniel is more used to the lack and has adjusted better. That might account for some of the difference today but it looked like DR was substantially faster for the bulk of the race.
SuperDude said:
slipstream 1985 said:
SuperDude said:
slipstream 1985 said:
stephen300o said:
Maybe Mark wasn't that great.
couldn't even come second in a dominant car. I dont rate him either.And I'm sure he'll lose sleep over that, which is what he deserves for being such a terrible professional racing driver.
Breath through your nose, son.
edited to add. 3rd 3rd 6th 3rd the last 4 years championship finishing positions. teammate those years
1st 1st 1st 1sr
Edited by slipstream 1985 on Sunday 20th April 09:40
Mark Webber was one of the most respected racing drivers on that grid. He fought hard and fair, and was lightning fast. His failing during the latter parts of his F1 career were down to Vettel having lightning one lap pace, plus the backing of the entire team. The overtakes and accidents he was involved in were, frankly, breath taking at times. I'm talking his move on Alonso at Spa, or the times he's flipped his car at high speed - and yet he consistantly(sic) got back in and gave it everything. Even, at one stage, with a broken leg.
You don't rate him as a driver? Fine. You do that. Meanwhile the rest of us will appreciate that racing, at any level, does not begin and end with the driver. There's more to it. Mark Webber didn't get the job done, we all know this, but tell me you don't rate him, that just says more about your appreciation of the sport than it does of the driver.
Some of us feel Seb has been a bit flattered by Mark's lack of desire/speed, that maybe another driver would have given him more of a run for his money.
But yes of course every driver on the grid is pretty darn good.
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