Mercedes 2014 clean sweep?
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Scuffers said:
not so sure about that, Bahrain is very much a point and squirt cct, which exaggerates the difference in engines
the red bull is clearly faster in mid and high speed corners, by some way, they only need to reduce the power deficit and they will be right up there, they have been on the front row of the grid already.
What makes you think the Redbull is quicker around corners than the Mercedes? I cant think of any track that has shown this to be true?? I can however think of at least another 5 Point and Squirt tracks as you put it that Redbull wont stand a chance in going by there current flat out speed.the red bull is clearly faster in mid and high speed corners, by some way, they only need to reduce the power deficit and they will be right up there, they have been on the front row of the grid already.
Mercedes have the brains and the financial backing to at the very least develop there car as quickly as the Redbull. The lead they pulled out after safety car showed me that if anything they are getting quicker.
Gaz. said:
Didn't RBR match Mercedes in sector 2 of Sepang & Sakhir? They weren't far off in sector 2 & 3 of Albert Park either.
All the drivers of the top teams have commented on the RB10's cornering ability.
Yes, match or get close to the Mercedes sector times. Poster said the Redbull was by far the quickest around long/mid range corners which is not infact true.All the drivers of the top teams have commented on the RB10's cornering ability.
Adrian Newey is complaining that we now have a powersource dominated F1. He would of cause, never troubled him having an aero dominated F1. He has a point about the Mercedes advantage however, the BBC gave the speeds at the start finish line showing the acceleration out of corners, the Mercedes engined cars topped the list by up to 5mph. Multiply that from every corner and you can see that the Mercedes powertrain is way ahead. 1988 part 2, very likely. Like others have said, without testing the Ferrari and Renault powered cars are going to be bit part players.
Gaz. said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Yes, match or get close to the Mercedes sector times. Poster said the Redbull was by far the quickest around long/mid range corners which is not infact true.
Given that all sectors mentioned have medium/fast corners linked by decent straights or traction zones, RBR must be making the time up somewhere. I think their power deficit is vastly overplayed but their chassis is very sound.And who is to say that Mercedes cant work on the Aero if they think they actually need to considering the speed of the the thing.
Wanta996Gotta said:
lol, fair enough. Still early in the season i guess. Lets re-look at this come Canada??
From Sky: said:
The middle sector of the Sepang track mainly comprises fast, long-duration turns that punish any relative lack of downforce hard. If we look to the best times set through there in Sunday's race - taking the fastest time as 100% and relating the deficit of the others by percentage - we get the following picture:
1. Mercedes - 100%.
2. Red Bull - 100.31.
3. Ferrari - 101.44.
4. Williams - 102.55.
5. Toro Rosso - 102.78.
6. McLaren - 103.02.
7. Lotus - 103.16.
8. Force India - 104.05.
9. Sauber - 104.99.
10. Caterham - 105.47.
11. Marussia - 105.48.
1. Mercedes - 100%.
2. Red Bull - 100.31.
3. Ferrari - 101.44.
4. Williams - 102.55.
5. Toro Rosso - 102.78.
6. McLaren - 103.02.
7. Lotus - 103.16.
8. Force India - 104.05.
9. Sauber - 104.99.
10. Caterham - 105.47.
11. Marussia - 105.48.
_Batty_ said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
lol, fair enough. Still early in the season i guess. Lets re-look at this come Canada??
From Sky: said:
The middle sector of the Sepang track mainly comprises fast, long-duration turns that punish any relative lack of downforce hard. If we look to the best times set through there in Sunday's race - taking the fastest time as 100% and relating the deficit of the others by percentage - we get the following picture:
1. Mercedes - 100%.
2. Red Bull - 100.31.
3. Ferrari - 101.44.
4. Williams - 102.55.
5. Toro Rosso - 102.78.
6. McLaren - 103.02.
7. Lotus - 103.16.
8. Force India - 104.05.
9. Sauber - 104.99.
10. Caterham - 105.47.
11. Marussia - 105.48.
1. Mercedes - 100%.
2. Red Bull - 100.31.
3. Ferrari - 101.44.
4. Williams - 102.55.
5. Toro Rosso - 102.78.
6. McLaren - 103.02.
7. Lotus - 103.16.
8. Force India - 104.05.
9. Sauber - 104.99.
10. Caterham - 105.47.
11. Marussia - 105.48.
I think i heard Alonso on radio saying they didnt have enough power at one point and Kimi mentioned it being like in a different class of cars in an interview after the race - http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/9254071/Kimi-...
Wanta996Gotta said:
So the Mercedes has the best/close to the best downforce and power unit. This makes Ferrari's issues seem 100% engine related which is remarkable seeing that they are an engine manufacturer.
not sure I would interpret it as that?that sector must require power at some point, so unless you can divorce power from the times, it's always going to help if you have more, and as we are pretty much certain that the Merc engine is the most powerful, to match (or get dam close to) the same sector time I would suggest means your corner speeds must be better at some point?
Scuffers said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
So the Mercedes has the best/close to the best downforce and power unit. This makes Ferrari's issues seem 100% engine related which is remarkable seeing that they are an engine manufacturer.
not sure I would interpret it as that?that sector must require power at some point, so unless you can divorce power from the times, it's always going to help if you have more, and as we are pretty much certain that the Merc engine is the most powerful, to match (or get dam close to) the same sector time I would suggest means your corner speeds must be better at some point?
Wanta996Gotta said:
Scuffers said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
So the Mercedes has the best/close to the best downforce and power unit. This makes Ferrari's issues seem 100% engine related which is remarkable seeing that they are an engine manufacturer.
not sure I would interpret it as that?that sector must require power at some point, so unless you can divorce power from the times, it's always going to help if you have more, and as we are pretty much certain that the Merc engine is the most powerful, to match (or get dam close to) the same sector time I would suggest means your corner speeds must be better at some point?
I am not sure how much times from the first two races can be read into as Merc i don't think were running flat out,they did on Sunday for 10 laps and the rest of the field didn't see which way they went.
Now the track favoured them, but even still they have a healthy advantage.
Teams will be hopping the Barcelona packages close the gap, if they don't most will switch focus to next years car.
Now the track favoured them, but even still they have a healthy advantage.
Teams will be hopping the Barcelona packages close the gap, if they don't most will switch focus to next years car.
revrange said:
I am not sure how much times from the first two races can be read into as Merc i don't think were running flat out,they did on Sunday for 10 laps and the rest of the field didn't see which way they went.
Now the track favoured them, but even still they have a healthy advantage.
Teams will be hopping the Barcelona packages close the gap, if they don't most will switch focus to next years car.
Now the track favoured them, but even still they have a healthy advantage.
Teams will be hopping the Barcelona packages close the gap, if they don't most will switch focus to next years car.
Mercedes’ fastest lap on Sunday was 1.37.0. Next fastest car was the Force India at 1.38.8. The fastest lap by a non-Mercedes powered car was 1.39.2 by Ricciardo.
Red Bull’s advantage in the second half of last season when they won 9 consecutive races was approx. 0.5s per lap, so Mercedes’ 1.8s gap is an absolutely vast margin. Mercedes are not just ahead, they are racing in a different category.
Given that the engine spec is now frozen for the year, the Renault and Ferrari powered teams probably can’t catch Mercedes, so it’s up to Williams, FI and McLaren, in particular, to try to challenge the Mercs.
Scuffers said:
not as simple as that.
how did Red Bull get on the front row of the grid last time out?
look, I am not saying that last weekend, Merc did not have a lot in hand, but that (engine) advantage will not last long, and Renault do not need to match it for red bull to be on the pace...
I seem to remember that the rain helped somewhat. In the dry the Mercedes was faster in all 3 sectors of the track, including the twiddly one where the RBR down force would have helped.how did Red Bull get on the front row of the grid last time out?
look, I am not saying that last weekend, Merc did not have a lot in hand, but that (engine) advantage will not last long, and Renault do not need to match it for red bull to be on the pace...
Walford said:
MCL allready got merc power, so power not the problem
Next season. if I were MCL I'd be developing the 2015 car from 1/3rd the way in. being the only team to use that Honda lump means you HAVE to turn it into an advantage, the car has to work well with the new powerplant.AlexS said:
Scuffers said:
not as simple as that.
how did Red Bull get on the front row of the grid last time out?
look, I am not saying that last weekend, Merc did not have a lot in hand, but that (engine) advantage will not last long, and Renault do not need to match it for red bull to be on the pace...
I seem to remember that the rain helped somewhat. In the dry the Mercedes was faster in all 3 sectors of the track, including the twiddly one where the RBR down force would have helped.how did Red Bull get on the front row of the grid last time out?
look, I am not saying that last weekend, Merc did not have a lot in hand, but that (engine) advantage will not last long, and Renault do not need to match it for red bull to be on the pace...
Interesting bit of punditry on the Sky F1 Midweek Report...
One of the journalists on the panel was reporting rumours that Merc have significant upgrades that they're not going to bring out simply because they have such an advantage.
Doesn't bode well for the competition if Merc have that much in hand and the capability to keep the lead without breaking sweat...
One of the journalists on the panel was reporting rumours that Merc have significant upgrades that they're not going to bring out simply because they have such an advantage.
Doesn't bode well for the competition if Merc have that much in hand and the capability to keep the lead without breaking sweat...
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