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I think it goes one of two ways:
He waits until 2016, gets sponsors, engine deal, builds the SC facility and designs/builds the car
He goes for 2015, enters with a spec chassis/engine, doesn't have high expectations but "learns the ropes" so to speak, gets the team set up and functioning etc and builds a "proper" car for 2016.
There are merits to both approaches.
He waits until 2016, gets sponsors, engine deal, builds the SC facility and designs/builds the car
He goes for 2015, enters with a spec chassis/engine, doesn't have high expectations but "learns the ropes" so to speak, gets the team set up and functioning etc and builds a "proper" car for 2016.
There are merits to both approaches.
IMO JPM is about right with his comments. I will be happy to be proved wrong but won't be holding my breath......
Juan Pablo Montoya believes new Formula 1 entrant Gene Haas's plan to run his team from America is "mad".
The seven-time grand prix winner, who raced in F1 from 2001-2006, believes running a team from the US cannot work.
Speaking at last weekend's Long Beach IndyCar event, Montoya said: "If he wants to build [the team] here in the States I think it's completely mad.
"You can't even call it mad because it makes no sense.
"You are not going to get people from England to move to Charlotte."
Juan Pablo Montoya believes new Formula 1 entrant Gene Haas's plan to run his team from America is "mad".
The seven-time grand prix winner, who raced in F1 from 2001-2006, believes running a team from the US cannot work.
Speaking at last weekend's Long Beach IndyCar event, Montoya said: "If he wants to build [the team] here in the States I think it's completely mad.
"You can't even call it mad because it makes no sense.
"You are not going to get people from England to move to Charlotte."
Not that JPM is bitter about F1 at all you understand.
Yes getting people will be harder, but then F1 is an international sport nowadays - teams already use windshear in the US, Ferrari were travelling up to the Toyota site in Germany to test parts in the wind tunnel, about a 1000km road trip.
Sauber are in the motorsport equivalent of no mans land, but they seem to manage.
BAR was run from Brackley, not the USA - I see no relevance other than they pissed plenty of money away and still didn't get it right, they are in good company (Honda, Toyota, Spyker etc etc).
No-one can be sure that Haas will get it right, they probably won't (at least at first). But look at Honda & Toyota, both developed great cars just as they quit F1. The trick will be to hang around long enough to make it.
Yes getting people will be harder, but then F1 is an international sport nowadays - teams already use windshear in the US, Ferrari were travelling up to the Toyota site in Germany to test parts in the wind tunnel, about a 1000km road trip.
Sauber are in the motorsport equivalent of no mans land, but they seem to manage.
BAR was run from Brackley, not the USA - I see no relevance other than they pissed plenty of money away and still didn't get it right, they are in good company (Honda, Toyota, Spyker etc etc).
No-one can be sure that Haas will get it right, they probably won't (at least at first). But look at Honda & Toyota, both developed great cars just as they quit F1. The trick will be to hang around long enough to make it.
Crafty_ said:
Not that JPM is bitter about F1 at all you understand.
Yes getting people will be harder, but then F1 is an international sport nowadays - teams already use windshear in the US, Ferrari were travelling up to the Toyota site in Germany to test parts in the wind tunnel, about a 1000km road trip.
Sauber are in the motorsport equivalent of no mans land, but they seem to manage.
BAR was run from Brackley, not the USA - I see no relevance other than they pissed plenty of money away and still didn't get it right, they are in good company (Honda, Toyota, Spyker etc etc).
No-one can be sure that Haas will get it right, they probably won't (at least at first). But look at Honda & Toyota, both developed great cars just as they quit F1. The trick will be to hang around long enough to make it.
Thats the key, a lot of people think they can rock on up with their mates and school the F1 circus in how to race cars and leave with their tails between their legs a few years and a comedic amount of cash later. The companies that stick around for the long term and integrate with F1 are the ones that get success (RB, merc)Yes getting people will be harder, but then F1 is an international sport nowadays - teams already use windshear in the US, Ferrari were travelling up to the Toyota site in Germany to test parts in the wind tunnel, about a 1000km road trip.
Sauber are in the motorsport equivalent of no mans land, but they seem to manage.
BAR was run from Brackley, not the USA - I see no relevance other than they pissed plenty of money away and still didn't get it right, they are in good company (Honda, Toyota, Spyker etc etc).
No-one can be sure that Haas will get it right, they probably won't (at least at first). But look at Honda & Toyota, both developed great cars just as they quit F1. The trick will be to hang around long enough to make it.
If you're very good at something you can make it look very simple, clever people will appreciate your skill while idiots think "that looks easy enough"
Crafty_ said:
Not that JPM is bitter about F1 at all you understand.
Yes getting people will be harder, but then F1 is an international sport nowadays - teams already use windshear in the US, Ferrari were travelling up to the Toyota site in Germany to test parts in the wind tunnel, about a 1000km road trip.
Sauber are in the motorsport equivalent of no mans land, but they seem to manage.
BAR was run from Brackley, not the USA - I see no relevance other than they pissed plenty of money away and still didn't get it right, they are in good company (Honda, Toyota, Spyker etc etc).
No-one can be sure that Haas will get it right, they probably won't (at least at first). But look at Honda & Toyota, both developed great cars just as they quit F1. The trick will be to hang around long enough to make it.
Prost couldn't get a F1 team to work in France. Yes you can have a team based out of the U.K but it is a compromise. We are the best it's something we should be proud of.Yes getting people will be harder, but then F1 is an international sport nowadays - teams already use windshear in the US, Ferrari were travelling up to the Toyota site in Germany to test parts in the wind tunnel, about a 1000km road trip.
Sauber are in the motorsport equivalent of no mans land, but they seem to manage.
BAR was run from Brackley, not the USA - I see no relevance other than they pissed plenty of money away and still didn't get it right, they are in good company (Honda, Toyota, Spyker etc etc).
No-one can be sure that Haas will get it right, they probably won't (at least at first). But look at Honda & Toyota, both developed great cars just as they quit F1. The trick will be to hang around long enough to make it.
egomeister said:
PabloTheOrange said:
mattshiz said:
Likely to buy up Caterham/Marussia/Force India? All are known to have money issues and starting a team from scratch in America would be an impossible job.
Really? A lot of the NASCAR teams in Charlotte (HMS, RCR, JGR, SHR et al) have some *serious* engineering talent behind them, not to mention some facilities that'd embarrass a mid-size F1 team!suffolk009 said:
egomeister said:
PabloTheOrange said:
mattshiz said:
Likely to buy up Caterham/Marussia/Force India? All are known to have money issues and starting a team from scratch in America would be an impossible job.
Really? A lot of the NASCAR teams in Charlotte (HMS, RCR, JGR, SHR et al) have some *serious* engineering talent behind them, not to mention some facilities that'd embarrass a mid-size F1 team!
suffolk009 said:
egomeister said:
PabloTheOrange said:
mattshiz said:
Likely to buy up Caterham/Marussia/Force India? All are known to have money issues and starting a team from scratch in America would be an impossible job.
Really? A lot of the NASCAR teams in Charlotte (HMS, RCR, JGR, SHR et al) have some *serious* engineering talent behind them, not to mention some facilities that'd embarrass a mid-size F1 team!Calm yourself now.
1) UK base is important, if only to be a operations base (not necessarily engineering/design base).
The Dallara chassis & Ferrari engine was just a possible option to get a car put together quickly for 2015, the long term plan was to build their own.
The race shop expansion in NC is underway ( expanding for their 4th NASCAR cup car & F1 operations).
Maybe he's eyeing up Lotus instead of doing the Dallara chassis/Ferrari engine plan.
I don't see the long term plan of a "US Built" car/team changing anytime soon.
1) UK base is important, if only to be a operations base (not necessarily engineering/design base).
The Dallara chassis & Ferrari engine was just a possible option to get a car put together quickly for 2015, the long term plan was to build their own.
The race shop expansion in NC is underway ( expanding for their 4th NASCAR cup car & F1 operations).
Maybe he's eyeing up Lotus instead of doing the Dallara chassis/Ferrari engine plan.
I don't see the long term plan of a "US Built" car/team changing anytime soon.
egomeister said:
suffolk009 said:
egomeister said:
PabloTheOrange said:
mattshiz said:
Likely to buy up Caterham/Marussia/Force India? All are known to have money issues and starting a team from scratch in America would be an impossible job.
Really? A lot of the NASCAR teams in Charlotte (HMS, RCR, JGR, SHR et al) have some *serious* engineering talent behind them, not to mention some facilities that'd embarrass a mid-size F1 team!Re a Honda partnership....Honda are trying to persuade Ford back into Indycar. For Haas to get a Honda engine I can see Mugen being used for customer engines or possibly Acura (their luxury brand in the USA). However it seems more likely he will buy a struggling team....Sauber possibly and work from Europe if not the UK. It makes better sense as he would immediately get TV revenue and not start like Marussia losing millions every race.
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