Domenicali resigns from ferrari
Discussion
jp455 said:
The thing that REALLY sucks in this age of frozen development and lack of testing is that with neither of those how are teams supposed to claw back the disadvantage??
It seems to me that its now become a sport of first come first served...Mercedes have come out with the best engine and nobody is going to change that going forward.
So new manager or not Ferrari is really in it now...
That's the way it seems to be, can't see anyone catching Mercedes this year so the teams may as well look to next year.It seems to me that its now become a sport of first come first served...Mercedes have come out with the best engine and nobody is going to change that going forward.
So new manager or not Ferrari is really in it now...
Never did care much for Domenicalli. Problem with that position is finding someone able enough to do the job but limp enough to be montzerellas b
h.
If that self important windbag would just employ those best able and leave them to it (a la the dream team days) ferraris fortunes would turn around.
h.If that self important windbag would just employ those best able and leave them to it (a la the dream team days) ferraris fortunes would turn around.
Henry Fiddleton said:
Ferrari were garbage bar the golden period with infinite testing, resources and tyres.
The "dream team" exploited this far and square.
This is an often overlooked fact. People forget that it was 25 years between their last championship with Scheckter and their first with Schummacher. Of all the teams on the grid, they have arguably the greatest potential to utterly dominate yet seem only able to do so when the chips are so totally stacked in their favour at the expense of all else. It's been like this for the past 40 years - maybe more.The "dream team" exploited this far and square.
Biggest problem at is that they seem clueless at developing their car for number or years now, pretty much since the Big Bear left Scuderia.
2014 program has been a mess. As with Merc they do things in-house but got things wrong, Merc have got it right which shows you there's something thing with R&D.
Aero dept has been weak. Not helped by wind tunnel needing recalibration a couple of years ago and then having to share wind tunnel with McLaren im Cologne
What excuses do they have now and is Stefano fully responsible?
2014 program has been a mess. As with Merc they do things in-house but got things wrong, Merc have got it right which shows you there's something thing with R&D.
Aero dept has been weak. Not helped by wind tunnel needing recalibration a couple of years ago and then having to share wind tunnel with McLaren im Cologne
What excuses do they have now and is Stefano fully responsible?
If they were going to bin Domenicali off then they surely should have done it sooner? Eric Boullier would have been a good choice but he isn't on the market now, so to speak, and Brawn has pissed off fishing so they missed the boat there too.
Ferrari have a major problem now. They may have loads of cash and 2 of THE best drivers on the grid, but they have not produced a truly competitive car in what, 5+ years? They are weak in all areas too which makes the task of developing the car more difficult; I mean do they go on aero or engine for a start or just scrap the whole car and start again for next year already.
Ferrari have a major problem now. They may have loads of cash and 2 of THE best drivers on the grid, but they have not produced a truly competitive car in what, 5+ years? They are weak in all areas too which makes the task of developing the car more difficult; I mean do they go on aero or engine for a start or just scrap the whole car and start again for next year already.
Edited by VolvoT5 on Monday 14th April 18:28
StevieBee said:
Henry Fiddleton said:
Ferrari were garbage bar the golden period with infinite testing, resources and tyres.
The "dream team" exploited this far and square.
This is an often overlooked fact. People forget that it was 25 years between their last championship with Scheckter and their first with Schummacher. Of all the teams on the grid, they have arguably the greatest potential to utterly dominate yet seem only able to do so when the chips are so totally stacked in their favour at the expense of all else. It's been like this for the past 40 years - maybe more.The "dream team" exploited this far and square.
I WISH said:
Just what are they expecting the "new" guy to do? Conjure a new more powerful engine out of thin air?
Whip the drivers into shape? Redesign the chassis and the energy recovery system for the next race?
Turn water into wine?
Italian logic.
According to his LinkedIn:Whip the drivers into shape? Redesign the chassis and the energy recovery system for the next race?
Turn water into wine?
Italian logic.
"Execution, Execution, Execution!
Take out 120% from each member of the team"
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/marco-mattiacci/3/b44/...
The Hypno-Toad said:
Domenicali resigns from Ferrari on the same day Bob Bell announces he is leaving Mercedes...
Coincidence?
Bell resigned in December apparently, just wasn't common knowledge until now. It is suspected he'll turn up wherever Brawn does. Either way he doesn't leave Merc until the end of the season.Coincidence?
REALIST123 said:
StevieBee said:
Henry Fiddleton said:
Ferrari were garbage bar the golden period with infinite testing, resources and tyres.
The "dream team" exploited this far and square.
This is an often overlooked fact. People forget that it was 25 years between their last championship with Scheckter and their first with Schummacher. Of all the teams on the grid, they have arguably the greatest potential to utterly dominate yet seem only able to do so when the chips are so totally stacked in their favour at the expense of all else. It's been like this for the past 40 years - maybe more.The "dream team" exploited this far and square.
They should have won the title in at least one of the early 80's years, Prost should have got it done in the early 90's. Tragedy, bad luck, internal politics etc etc all combined to deny them. But that was and now seems to be again, the enigma that Ferrari has always been, even under Enzo.
Much more interesting than the boring grey world of carbon valley if you ask me....
Shame really, him and Whitmarsh were the kind of blokes I liked to hear from more than that Christian Horner.
Obviously he's got to take some responsibility as the principal but there's no way he he's solely to blame. I guess he must have a few quid in the bank though and he's free to lead a less stressful life.
Obviously he's got to take some responsibility as the principal but there's no way he he's solely to blame. I guess he must have a few quid in the bank though and he's free to lead a less stressful life.
bishbash said:
hondafanatic said:
Shame though, seemed a nice chap.
Same as Whitmarsh, unfortunately it doesn't seem to be a job for 'nice chaps' turbobloke said:
Apparently Luca has noticed that Ferrari haven't won a driver's championship recently, good spot (!) but he might like to look back and see who it was at the top of Ferrari who signed off on Domenicali's appointment - and make sure they leave as well. Now who could that possibly be...People at the very top who make what are later seen as bad appointment decisions hardly ever seem to carry the can along with the other 'failing' employee.
This.Triguy said:
turbobloke said:
Apparently Luca has noticed that Ferrari haven't won a driver's championship recently, good spot (!) but he might like to look back and see who it was at the top of Ferrari who signed off on Domenicali's appointment - and make sure they leave as well. Now who could that possibly be...People at the very top who make what are later seen as bad appointment decisions hardly ever seem to carry the can along with the other 'failing' employee.
This.In addition to all those that have been issued with their P45s, the Venger/Moyes must go cries are still ringing out.
Was it ever fully revealed why Ross Brawn left M-B ? Bit fishy that episode.
MGJohn said:
I do hope F1 does not evolve into another "Sack the Manager" Premiership. Solves nothing. It is always a team effort.
In addition to all those that have been issued with their P45s, the Venger/Moyes must go cries are still ringing out.
Was it ever fully revealed why Ross Brawn left M-B ? Bit fishy that episode.
I agree.In addition to all those that have been issued with their P45s, the Venger/Moyes must go cries are still ringing out.
Was it ever fully revealed why Ross Brawn left M-B ? Bit fishy that episode.
If they have someone who is much, much better then I could see the point but just losing that experience seems so wasteful.
Mind you, Whitmarsh going was especially irritating for me, a long-time McL fan. I went to a James Allen F1 meeting/forum where Whitmarsh was present, as well as Domenicali, and at the end of the meeting I took Whitmarsh's desk name bar to one of the organisers and asked if I could buy it. The look of contempt was quite hurtful. He stared at the name bar for a few seconds and said: If it's that important to you, you can have it, and walked away. Result! Now I've got no use for it.
The meeting had people for lots of different teams and there was a camaraderie between them that was quite refreshing. It was similar to the atmosphere at a rugby club after a hard-fought match where the two opposing chairman enjoy a laugh together. I'm not sure that the same response will be there after the appeal decision is published.
As for Brawn leaving M-B: he saw a way of making more money. I don't think it is much more complicated than that.
Is there a time for the appeal to be published?
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