Domenicali resigns from ferrari
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The problem is, F1 is not some collegiate get together. It is a big money winner takes all corporate battle to the death. Coming second is death.
The only reason any player in F1 might want to be behind you would be to stab you in the back.
Whitmarsh and Dominicali may just have been too willing to be cooperative to have a longer F1 lifespan.
The only reason any player in F1 might want to be behind you would be to stab you in the back.
Whitmarsh and Dominicali may just have been too willing to be cooperative to have a longer F1 lifespan.
greygoose said:
jp455 said:
The thing that REALLY sucks in this age of frozen development and lack of testing is that with neither of those how are teams supposed to claw back the disadvantage??
It seems to me that its now become a sport of first come first served...Mercedes have come out with the best engine and nobody is going to change that going forward.
So new manager or not Ferrari is really in it now...
That's the way it seems to be, can't see anyone catching Mercedes this year so the teams may as well look to next year.It seems to me that its now become a sport of first come first served...Mercedes have come out with the best engine and nobody is going to change that going forward.
So new manager or not Ferrari is really in it now...
Source 2014 F1 Technical Regulations - Published on 12.03.2014
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/...
10 Pence Short said:
The problem is, F1 is not some collegiate get together. It is a big money winner takes all corporate battle to the death. Coming second is death.
The only reason any player in F1 might want to be behind you would be to stab you in the back.
Whitmarsh and Dominicali may just have been too willing to be cooperative to have a longer F1 lifespan.
The 'old style' of F1, when Mosley was in charge, was destroying the sport. The only reason any player in F1 might want to be behind you would be to stab you in the back.
Whitmarsh and Dominicali may just have been too willing to be cooperative to have a longer F1 lifespan.
When his authority collapsed there was an apparent sea-change, seemingly reinforced when Todt took over - much to my surprise.
If we return to the days of complex legal argument based on technical interpretations, we will end up with races being resolved in quasi-judicial courts, with all the excitement that that used to entail.
This, I think, is not a question of who comes first. It is more a battle for control of the sport.
Todt is powerless and the FIA is running on empty. Ecclestone's power is in decline and there can be few who would expect him to be in the same position at the end of the season, most of all him. Ferrari is no longer the undisputed top dog of F1 they always suggested they were, not even bothering to send an observer.
There's a vacuum. RB have all but taken over a number of sports and I would assume they would see F1 as the jewel in their crown. Merc would appear to be the only team big enough to take them on, and would seem to be relishing the task.
The appeal is a challenge to those who control the sport. RB want a change in the fuel flow regs. They could lose this appeal but still get their way.
A team running the sport is a real danger, be it RB or Merc.
I can't remember a time when politics were absent and teams weren't using and abusing the regulations and fighting over it in F1. Admittedly, my memories won't span as far back a yours, Derek. 
I remember a certain Brazilian being dq by a certain French ringmaster one Japanese GP. I also remember the same location being where the pole position was for 'some reason' moved overnight.
F1 is bigger than any one team or ringmaster and it'll never be happy families.
I remember a certain Brazilian being dq by a certain French ringmaster one Japanese GP. I also remember the same location being where the pole position was for 'some reason' moved overnight.
F1 is bigger than any one team or ringmaster and it'll never be happy families.
MGJohn said:
I do hope F1 does not evolve into another "Sack the Manager" Premiership. Solves nothing. It is always a team effort.
In addition to all those that have been issued with their P45s, the Venger/Moyes must go cries are still ringing out.
Was it ever fully revealed why Ross Brawn left M-B ? Bit fishy that episode.
The last Motorsport issue has a good interview with Brawn that talks precisely about that...In addition to all those that have been issued with their P45s, the Venger/Moyes must go cries are still ringing out.
Was it ever fully revealed why Ross Brawn left M-B ? Bit fishy that episode.
Agent Orange said:
There is plenty of opportunity over the next 5-6 years for teams to fix problems and improve. Not much is currently "frozen".
Source 2014 F1 Technical Regulations - Published on 12.03.2014
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/...
My mistake then. However, as the Mercedes turbo layout basically affects the entire car there would have to be quite a big step up in performance for Ferrari to catch up, which I think would mean a blank sheet redesign, or almost.Source 2014 F1 Technical Regulations - Published on 12.03.2014
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/...
In any case...getting rid of a director with so much experience for one with seemingly no racing experience seems counter-intuitive at the very least.
I took Brawn at his word that he wanted a break. He doesn't strike me as the kind of man who would work himself into an early grave. He has made a significant amount of money and I doubt needs to work to live the lifestyle he would like. I see him as someone who tolerates the politics of F1 rather than lived for them.
My thoughts would be that if he turns up in motorsport again, it'll be down to the excitement of the project rather than the promise or need of money.
My thoughts would be that if he turns up in motorsport again, it'll be down to the excitement of the project rather than the promise or need of money.
10 Pence Short said:
My thoughts would be that if he turns up in motorsport again, it'll be down to the excitement of the project rather than the promise or need of money.
I tend to view previous history as important in this respect. Whilst the thrill of the sport is a draw, I'm not sure it is the main reason he goes. Look at Frank Williams. There's no argument that he's a great sportsman and loves F1. However, I've been told that it is not his first love. It obviously doesn't lessen him - his contribution to the sport is second to none - but money is important to him.My experience is that there is never enough money for some people. I once took a report of a burglary from a chap who inherited a considerable amount of money and property more or less unexpectedly. Nice chap, very welcoming, and we seemed to get on quite well. He asked me what I would do first of all if I won/inherited a biggish sum. I said family holiday. He said the biggest shock was that his initial response was to work out, or rather pay someone to do that for him, where he could invest the money to give the best return.
I bet I would have done that as well, sod the family.
People, that's you, me and Brawn, are strange creatures.
entropy said:
Biggest problem at is that they seem clueless at developing their car for number or years now, pretty much since the Big Bear left Scuderia.
2014 program has been a mess. As with Merc they do things in-house but got things wrong, Merc have got it right which shows you there's something thing with R&D.
Aero dept has been weak. Not helped by wind tunnel needing recalibration a couple of years ago and then having to share wind tunnel with McLaren im Cologne
What excuses do they have now and is Stefano fully responsible?
would think a larger problem is that they're one of 3 teams not located within that 100 square mile area in the UK?2014 program has been a mess. As with Merc they do things in-house but got things wrong, Merc have got it right which shows you there's something thing with R&D.
Aero dept has been weak. Not helped by wind tunnel needing recalibration a couple of years ago and then having to share wind tunnel with McLaren im Cologne
What excuses do they have now and is Stefano fully responsible?
I may be talking out of my arse here, but i thought when Brawn was at Ferrari he had a UK technical centre as well, and not all of the R&D in Italy? Somebody a lot my knowledgeable on the team will confirm if true I'm sure.
cidered77 said:
would think a larger problem is that they're one of 3 teams not located within that 100 square mile area in the UK?
I may be talking out of my arse here, but i thought when Brawn was at Ferrari he had a UK technical centre as well, and not all of the R&D in Italy? Somebody a lot my knowledgeable on the team will confirm if true I'm sure.
GTC I believe it was called I may be talking out of my arse here, but i thought when Brawn was at Ferrari he had a UK technical centre as well, and not all of the R&D in Italy? Somebody a lot my knowledgeable on the team will confirm if true I'm sure.
brierleys said:
I'm pretty sure Raikkonen gets on quite well with Domenicali. I mean wasn't it Domenicali who supposedly pushed to get Kimi back as well?I can't see that either of the two drivers will be too chuffed with the current situation though. The car is s
t and now the team is going to get side tracked for a while with a major shift in senior management. This season is all but written off already IMO. cidered77 said:
would think a larger problem is that they're one of 3 teams not located within that 100 square mile area in the UK?
I may be talking out of my arse here, but i thought when Brawn was at Ferrari he had a UK technical centre as well, and not all of the R&D in Italy? Somebody a lot my knowledgeable on the team will confirm if true I'm sure.
You're thinking of John Barnard.I may be talking out of my arse here, but i thought when Brawn was at Ferrari he had a UK technical centre as well, and not all of the R&D in Italy? Somebody a lot my knowledgeable on the team will confirm if true I'm sure.
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