Red Bull Appeal..
Discussion
London424 said:
So is that it?
Sorry your appeal didn't work. Why are there no penalties (financial or other) handed out for a very very serious breach of the rules?
I agree.....Sorry your appeal didn't work. Why are there no penalties (financial or other) handed out for a very very serious breach of the rules?
They should.be hit.with a fine for bringing the sport into disrepute.
Edited by Scuffers on Tuesday 15th April 11:24
Vaud said:
Plenty of worse offences have gone unpunished. Benettons removal of the fuel filter in 1994 leaps to mind- they were found guilty but no punishment.
RB have been punished - the driver was disqualified.
Exactly. The stewards imposed the penalty, this was the appeal against that. Turned down, end of story.RB have been punished - the driver was disqualified.
Must have been sweet revenge for MB after last year's episode over testing........
zac510 said:
Come again?
Spare us your ridiculous axe-grinding.
What axe?Spare us your ridiculous axe-grinding.
I have no issues with riciardo, just red bull managements appalling attitude over this event as I am sure most sane people are.
Have you actually followed what they have been saying since.
Aside that, gill should sue them for publicly trying to trash their products.
Edited by Scuffers on Tuesday 15th April 12:28
Vaud said:
Derek Smith said:
No increase in penalty then? That's unusual, and not only in the sense of being sensible.
Not sure I agree that it is unusual. There are many appeals, most of which don't seem to carry an increase in penalty?http://www.fia.com/about-fia/fia-courts/internatio...
Incremental sanctions being those above the upheld steward's sanctions.
Could result in a large(r) fine, race bans (which seem unlikely) or nfa.
Scuffers said:
What axe?
I have no issues with riciardo, just red bull managements appalling attitude over this event as I am sure most sane people are.
Have you actually followed what they have been saying since.
Aside that, gill should sue them for publicly trying to trash their products.
You basically just want them punished more for daring to use the appeal process that's in the sporting regulations.I have no issues with riciardo, just red bull managements appalling attitude over this event as I am sure most sane people are.
Have you actually followed what they have been saying since.
Aside that, gill should sue them for publicly trying to trash their products.
Edited by Scuffers on Tuesday 15th April 12:28
The appeal might have been somewhat futile and the way it initiated not pretty but that's not reason to punish them more. It's acting purely out of spite.
zac510 said:
You basically just want them punished more for daring to use the appeal process that's in the sporting regulations.
The appeal might have been somewhat futile and the way it initiated not pretty but that's not reason to punish them more. It's acting purely out of spite.
FIA regularly impose additional penalties on appeal where they feel the appeal was without merit or frivolous, as this one appears to many of us.The appeal might have been somewhat futile and the way it initiated not pretty but that's not reason to punish them more. It's acting purely out of spite.
At the very least I'd expect an award of costs against RBR and probably a fairly large fine.
rscott said:
zac510 said:
You basically just want them punished more for daring to use the appeal process that's in the sporting regulations.
The appeal might have been somewhat futile and the way it initiated not pretty but that's not reason to punish them more. It's acting purely out of spite.
FIA regularly impose additional penalties on appeal where they feel the appeal was without merit or frivolous, as this one appears to many of us.The appeal might have been somewhat futile and the way it initiated not pretty but that's not reason to punish them more. It's acting purely out of spite.
At the very least I'd expect an award of costs against RBR and probably a fairly large fine.
rscott said:
FIA regularly impose additional penalties on appeal where they feel the appeal was without merit or frivolous, as this one appears to many of us.
At the very least I'd expect an award of costs against RBR and probably a fairly large fine.
I can't think of any recent examples, can you cite any?At the very least I'd expect an award of costs against RBR and probably a fairly large fine.
zac510 said:
You basically just want them punished more for daring to use the appeal process that's in the sporting regulations.
The appeal might have been somewhat futile and the way it initiated not pretty but that's not reason to punish them more. It's acting purely out of spite.
You, like me, read the details on this, correct? What it comes down to is that RBR sought to prove the sensor inaccurate via the use of models (and I am not talking about 6ft blondes with pneumatic chests dressed in RBR lycra suits - actually that might've worked)....The appeal might have been somewhat futile and the way it initiated not pretty but that's not reason to punish them more. It's acting purely out of spite.
The FIA and everyone in the room argued that RBR could not prove through the use of anything as accurate (or inaccurate) as a sensor that the Gill version was inaccurate and thus the case was thrown out.
Surely the lawyers to whom RBR paid hundreds of thousands of Euros, should have spotted this flaw? If they did, and RR chose to push ahead, there's an argument that they were indeed arrogant.
But we'll never know that will we? Which is perhaps why the FIA decided not to levy any further penalty?
zac510 said:
Scuffers said:
What axe?
I have no issues with riciardo, just red bull managements appalling attitude over this event as I am sure most sane people are.
Have you actually followed what they have been saying since.
Aside that, gill should sue them for publicly trying to trash their products.
You basically just want them punished more for daring to use the appeal process that's in the sporting regulations.I have no issues with riciardo, just red bull managements appalling attitude over this event as I am sure most sane people are.
Have you actually followed what they have been saying since.
Aside that, gill should sue them for publicly trying to trash their products.
Edited by Scuffers on Tuesday 15th April 12:28
The appeal might have been somewhat futile and the way it initiated not pretty but that's not reason to punish them more. It's acting purely out of spite.
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