Maldonado. Not of this planet..
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He has won a GP. More than at least half the current F1 grid....if the PDVSA money materialises, he'll definitely be on the grid this year. that's too big a pile for a non-works team not to hoover up. I am surprised that the seat appears to have gone to Magnussen though and would assume it's a 1 year deal only.
rubystone said:
He has won a GP. More than at least half the current F1 grid....if the PDVSA money materialises, he'll definitely be on the grid this year. that's too big a pile for a non-works team not to hoover up. I am surprised that the seat appears to have gone to Magnussen though and would assume it's a 1 year deal only.
He won a GP mainly due to tyresMaldonado stats
2011 Formula One AT&T Williams 19 0 0 0 0 1 18th
2012 Formula One Williams F1 20 1 1 0 1 45 15th
2013 Formula One Williams F1 19 0 0 0 0 1 18th
2014 Formula One Lotus F1 Team 19 0 0 0 0 2 16th
2015 Formula One Lotus F1 Team 19 0 0 0 0 27 14th
Grosjean
2012 Formula One Lotus F1 Team 19 0 0 1 3 96 8th
2013 Formula One Lotus F1 Team 19 0 0 0 6 132 7th
2014 Formula One Lotus F1 Team 19 0 0 0 0 8 14th
2015 Formula One Lotus F1 Team 19 0 0 0 1 51 11th
Kevin
2015 Formula One McLaren 19 0 0 0 1 55 11th
Perez
2011 Formula One Sauber F1 Team 19 0 0 0 0 14 16th
2012 Formula One Sauber F1 Team 20 0 0 1 3 66 10th
2013 Formula One McLaren 19 0 0 1 0 49 11th
2014 Formula One Force India 19 0 0 1 1 59 10th
2015 Formula One Force India 19 0 0 0 1 78 9th
His stats just don't weigh up, Kevin scored more points in a season than Maldonado has in a season, Grosjean has consistently beaten him, he brings in $45 million dollars in sponsorship, that's £30 million, a car costs £6 million to build, he has to crash that car 5 times a season, extensively, to make it to a point where that sponsorship money is merely paying repair bills.
Weber has referred to him as "just making up the numbers" other drivers think he is an idiot, he needs to go, so many other deserving drivers, shame that Kobayashi couldn't get the sponsorship deal that Pastor has, all Pastor has done is kept a good driver out of a race seat.
Really long boring bit now, I couldn't be arsed to read it all so feel free to skip through it, here is every incident he has had
2011 Malaysian Grand Prix
Spins in the pitlane and damages the car in Practice 2.
2011 Chinese Grand Prix
Spins at Turn 6 and beaches the car in Practice 1.
2011 Turkish Grand Prix
Damages the car after his second spin in Practice 1.
2011 Monaco Grand Prix
Collides with Lewis Hamilton whilst being overtaken on Lap 73. Retires from the race.
2011 Hungarian Grand Prix
Speeds in the pitlane and serves a drive through penalty.
2011 Belgian Grand Prix
Crashes into Lewis Hamilton whilst heading to the pits during qualifying. Receives a grid penalty for doing so.
2011 Italian Grand Prix
Spins into the wall coming out of parabolica during qualifying.
2011 Japanese Grand Prix
Runs off at high speed over the grass in Practice 1 and stops the car on track shortly afterwards.
2011 Korean Grand Prix
Hits a bollard entering the pitlane and receives a drive through penalty.
2011 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix
Receives a drive through penalty for ignoring blue flags.
Receives a 30 second penalty for continuing to ignore blue flags.
2011 Brazilian Grand Prix
Crashes into the wall by himself at Turn 3 on lap 28.
2012 Australian Grand Prix
Collides with Romain Grosjean on lap two. Grosjean is pushed off the track and retires with damage.
Crashes into the wall by himself on the final lap.
2012 Malaysian Grand Prix
Runs off the track during qualifying and damages the car.
2012 Monaco Grand Prix
Crashes into Sergio Perez in Practice 3. Receives a ten place grid penalty for doing so.
Crashes hard into the wall at Casino Square by himself in Practice 3.
Crashes into the back of Pedro De La Rosa on lap 1 with enough force to retire them both.
2012 Canadian Grand Prix
Crashes into the wall by himself during qualifying.
2012 European Grand Prix
Crashes into Lewis Hamilton when rejoining the circuit and receives a penalty for doing so. Hamilton retires.
2012 British Grand Prix
Crashes into Sergio Perez on lap 12. Receives a reprimand and a fine for doing so. Perez retires.
2012 Hungarian Grand Prix
Crashes into Paul di Resta on lap 48. Receives a drive through penalty for doing so.
2012 Belgian Grand Prix
Blocks Nico Hulkenberg during qualifying and receives a grid penalty for doing so.
Jumps the start and receives a penalty for doing so.
Crashes into the back of Timo Glock on Lap 5 and receives a penalty for doing so.
2012 Indian Grand Prix
Collides with Kamui Kobayashi on lap 32, runs off track and picks up a puncture.
2012 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix
Collides with Mark Webber on lap 23.
2012 Brazilian Grand Prix
Misses the weight check during qualifying and receives a reprimand for doing so.
2013 Australian Grand Prix
Spins out of the race by himself at Turn 1 on lap 25.
2013 Malaysian Grand Prix
Runs off the road by himself and damages the car on lap 14.
2013 Spanish Grand Prix
Speeds in the pitlane and receives a penalty for doing so.
2013 Monaco Grand Prix
Collides with Giedo van der Garde and damages both cars on lap 1.
Collides with Max Chilton and hits the barriers on lap 44. Chilton is penalised.
2013 Canadian Grand Prix
Spins into the wall and damages the car at Turn 3 in Practice 1.
Crashes into the back of Adrian Sutil and damages the car on lap 7. Receives a penalty for doing so.
2013 Belgian Grand Prix
Collides with Adrian Sutil and damages the car on lap 28.
Crashes into Paul di Resta on his way into pitlane and receives a penalty for doing so. Di Resta retires.
2013 Singapore Grand Prix
Crashes into the wall at Turn 13 by himself in Practice 2.
2013 Japanese Grand Prix
Crashes into the barrier at Turn 9 by himself in Practice 2.
Collides with Valtteri Bottas on the last corner of the last lap. Bottas runs off the track.
2013 United States Grand Prix
Collides with Adrian Sutil and damages the car on lap 1.
2013 Brazilian Grand Prix
Collides with Jean Eric Vergne and spins on lap 65.
2014 Australian Grand Prix
Spins and beaches the car by himself in qualifying.
2014 Bahrain Grand Prix
Runs off the road and damages the car in Practice 2.
Crashes into the back of Esteban Gutierrez after the apex of Turn 1 on lap 48. Receives a penalty for doing so. Gutierrez flips over and retires.
2014 Chinese Grand Prix
Veers off the road whilst looking at his steering wheel in Practice 1.
Crashes in the pitlane entry in Practice 2.
2014 Spanish Grand Prix
Crashes into the wall by himself at Turn 3 in qualifying.
Crashes into Marcus Ericsson on lap 1 and receives a penalty for doing so.
2014 British Grand Prix
Collides with Esteban Gutierrez on lap 47. Gutierrez runs off the road with damage.
2014 Hungarian Grand Prix
Collides with Jules Bianchi and spins on lap 15.
2014 Belgian Grand Prix
Crashes into the wall by himself in Practice 2.
2014 Singapore Grand Prix
Crashes into the wall by himself in Practice 2.
2014 United States Grand Prix
Speeds behind the Safety Car and receives a penalty for doing so.
2015 Australian Grand Prix
Gets hit by Felipe Nasr, keeps the throttle open, and spins into the wall on lap 1.
Vaud said:
A lot of commentators at the time said it was tyres AND speed/skill. He kept Alonso (IIRC) behind him on good tyres?
He has moments of speed and skill. They are just too far apart.
I was going to add that fact, but Pits will only come out with a whole bunch of statistics to refute it He has moments of speed and skill. They are just too far apart.
Whatever, if the money doesn't turn up he'll be gone, which clearly indicates that no one believes he's worth paying properly, though he's not on his own in that regard.
Will he be missed? Not by me and I suspect by precious few who don't have a finger in his quite well funded (up to now) pie.
Will he be missed? Not by me and I suspect by precious few who don't have a finger in his quite well funded (up to now) pie.
REALIST123 said:
Whatever, if the money doesn't turn up he'll be gone, which clearly indicates that no one believes he's worth paying properly, though he's not on his own in that regard.
Will he be missed? Not by me and I suspect by precious few who don't have a finger in his quite well funded (up to now) pie.
Whilst I agree - is there any driver on the grid who doesn't bring some form of sponsor with them?Will he be missed? Not by me and I suspect by precious few who don't have a finger in his quite well funded (up to now) pie.
HAM? VET? I recall ALO brings Santander influence.
rubystone said:
Vaud said:
A lot of commentators at the time said it was tyres AND speed/skill. He kept Alonso (IIRC) behind him on good tyres?
He has moments of speed and skill. They are just too far apart.
I was going to add that fact, but Pits will only come out with a whole bunch of statistics to refute it He has moments of speed and skill. They are just too far apart.
pits said:
Stat's speak for themselves though, I fail to see what your point is? Verstappen or Sainz has outshone the waste of a seat driver that is Maldonado, so many better drivers out there, I'd rather see Bruno Senna or even Karun back in a seat over him, one win and a trail of destruction in his path.
But they haven't (yet) won a GP. Hunt crashed a lot too. And Hakkinen. I'm sure you can google the stats on them too Vaud said:
REALIST123 said:
Whatever, if the money doesn't turn up he'll be gone, which clearly indicates that no one believes he's worth paying properly, though he's not on his own in that regard.
Will he be missed? Not by me and I suspect by precious few who don't have a finger in his quite well funded (up to now) pie.
Whilst I agree - is there any driver on the grid who doesn't bring some form of sponsor with them?Will he be missed? Not by me and I suspect by precious few who don't have a finger in his quite well funded (up to now) pie.
HAM? VET? I recall ALO brings Santander influence.
Probably not but there are a few, as you mention, for whom bringing along a sponsor is probably not a deal maker. For Maldonado and the like, no sponsor, no drive.
rubystone said:
pits said:
Stat's speak for themselves though, I fail to see what your point is? Verstappen or Sainz has outshone the waste of a seat driver that is Maldonado, so many better drivers out there, I'd rather see Bruno Senna or even Karun back in a seat over him, one win and a trail of destruction in his path.
But they haven't (yet) won a GP. Hunt crashed a lot too. And Hakkinen. I'm sure you can google the stats on them too Mika won two and was quick
Maldonado has won a race due to tyres and has done nothing but crash into people or objects on the track, I fail to see why anyone would defend the useless jebend he is? What has he done that is so great? Why does he actually deserve a seat over anyone else out there?
dpl said:
Confirmation from Maldonado:
https://twitter.com/Pastormaldo/status/69418846070...
Google translatorizedhttps://twitter.com/Pastormaldo/status/69418846070...
Pastor Maldonado said:
My dear fans, I am writing to you with respect. As everyone knows in recent days have been a number of rumors about my immediate future in Formula One.
It's been 23 years in the most exciting sports I started at a very young age, with the help of my family, we grew up and went to form as a professional, I met the taste of triumph, the one that always leaves you with more and more desire to fight.
A few years become teen I went in search of my dreams to unknown lands, without the warmth of my people, of my roots, my Venezuela. At that time, I became man and realized that there were many things that could me away from my goal, yet always succeeded.
The World Karting, Formula Renault 2000, Formula 3000, Word Series and GP2 championship unforgettable. I got used to winning, we received over 200 trophies, of all sizes, shapes, shine, finally, my whole lifetime of achievement in an incredibly wonderful and great pride for my own space.
Arrived as expected, sleep, so he justified all my means, Formula One, a category that gave me even the most anticipated of my victories, this Grand Prix of Spain in 2012. All this thanks to the continued support of my family, of international fans and especially my great country, that it was heard with our glorious anthem and traveled the world, because I carry my flag not only in my car but in my soul and so to the very top of the podium.
Today most humbly inform you that no I will be present at the starting grid for the 2016 F1 season, thanks for all your messages of support, passion and concern for my future. I feel very honored with the support of all of you and proud of my professional performance.
I confirm my feelings of gratitude to God, my family, my sponsors, my friends, my fans and all who have helped realize this great dream of being able to represent Venezuela to the pinnacle of motorsport. Soon !.
Pastor Maldonado
It's been 23 years in the most exciting sports I started at a very young age, with the help of my family, we grew up and went to form as a professional, I met the taste of triumph, the one that always leaves you with more and more desire to fight.
A few years become teen I went in search of my dreams to unknown lands, without the warmth of my people, of my roots, my Venezuela. At that time, I became man and realized that there were many things that could me away from my goal, yet always succeeded.
The World Karting, Formula Renault 2000, Formula 3000, Word Series and GP2 championship unforgettable. I got used to winning, we received over 200 trophies, of all sizes, shapes, shine, finally, my whole lifetime of achievement in an incredibly wonderful and great pride for my own space.
Arrived as expected, sleep, so he justified all my means, Formula One, a category that gave me even the most anticipated of my victories, this Grand Prix of Spain in 2012. All this thanks to the continued support of my family, of international fans and especially my great country, that it was heard with our glorious anthem and traveled the world, because I carry my flag not only in my car but in my soul and so to the very top of the podium.
Today most humbly inform you that no I will be present at the starting grid for the 2016 F1 season, thanks for all your messages of support, passion and concern for my future. I feel very honored with the support of all of you and proud of my professional performance.
I confirm my feelings of gratitude to God, my family, my sponsors, my friends, my fans and all who have helped realize this great dream of being able to represent Venezuela to the pinnacle of motorsport. Soon !.
Pastor Maldonado
pits said:
Hunt won a championship and was quick
Mika won two and was quick
Maldonado has won a race due to tyres and has done nothing but crash into people or objects on the track.......
Please expand. Single make tyres. Part of the game has always to use the tyres in the best way.Mika won two and was quick
Maldonado has won a race due to tyres and has done nothing but crash into people or objects on the track.......
I supported Pastor for longer than most after that win but over the last 1-2 years have become tired of his antics and agree that it's time to go. But to try and dismiss his win as some crazy fluke or in any way underhand is churlish in the extreme.
Mr_Thyroid said:
pits said:
Hunt won a championship and was quick
Mika won two and was quick
Maldonado has won a race due to tyres and has done nothing but crash into people or objects on the track.......
Please expand. Single make tyres. Part of the game has always to use the tyres in the best way.Mika won two and was quick
Maldonado has won a race due to tyres and has done nothing but crash into people or objects on the track.......
I supported Pastor for longer than most after that win but over the last 1-2 years have become tired of his antics and agree that it's time to go. But to try and dismiss his win as some crazy fluke or in any way underhand is churlish in the extreme.
A different driver won the first 7 races as it was such a comedy.
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