Was Hamilton underrated
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Something else I realised today is that if Hamilton wins this world championship he will be the first driver to do so with two different teams since Schumacher in 2000.
ETA: Obviously not the most amazing statistic, but he would enter a reasonably exclusive club.
ETA: Obviously not the most amazing statistic, but he would enter a reasonably exclusive club.
Edited by RenOHH on Monday 5th May 18:57
Justaredbadge said:
Possibly the most under-rated WDC there has been.
I would certainly put him as the best test driver of the modern era.
Nope, definitely not under rated.I would certainly put him as the best test driver of the modern era.
Hill should have won 1995 WDC. Williams were so disappointed that they signed up the then highly rated Frentzen on a pre-contract.
A prime example would have been 1995 Belgian GP when he was on wets could not even beat a slick shod Schumi at a damp Spa.
At Arrows Hill would from time to time struggle to beat pay driver Pedro Diniz!
To this day Hill, a man of great humility, admits that he was nothing special.
entropy said:
Justaredbadge said:
Possibly the most under-rated WDC there has been.
I would certainly put him as the best test driver of the modern era.
To this day Hill, a man of great humility, admits that he was nothing special.I would certainly put him as the best test driver of the modern era.
entropy said:
Nope, definitely not under rated.
Hill should have won 1995 WDC. Williams were so disappointed that they signed up the then highly rated Frentzen on a pre-contract.
A prime example would have be
t in damp conditions. I remember Alesi driving rings around other drivers who were on wet tyres whilst he was still on slicks.
I seem to remember Alonso being out qualified by whatever no-hope was in the other minardi seat at the time
en 1995 Belgian GP when he was on wets could not even beat a slick shod Schumi at a damp Spa.
At Arrows Hill would from time to time struggle to beat pay driver Pedro Diniz!
To this day Hill, a man of great humility, admits that he was nothing special.
Hill should have won 1995 WDC. Williams were so disappointed that they signed up the then highly rated Frentzen on a pre-contract.
A prime example would have be
entropy said:
Nope, definitely not under rated.
Hill should have won 1995 WDC. Williams were so disappointed that they signed up the then highly rated Frentzen on a pre-contract.
A prime example would have been 1995 Belgian GP when he was on wets could not even beat a slick shod Schumi at a damp Spa.
At Arrows Hill would from time to time struggle to beat pay driver Pedro Diniz!
To this day Hill, a man of great humility, admits that he was nothing special.
well I would point out the 1994 season to counter the 1995 season. Ignoring mattikake's inspirational video about the 1995 Belgian GP, there is a window for tyre to work and sometimes wets are sHill should have won 1995 WDC. Williams were so disappointed that they signed up the then highly rated Frentzen on a pre-contract.
A prime example would have been 1995 Belgian GP when he was on wets could not even beat a slick shod Schumi at a damp Spa.
At Arrows Hill would from time to time struggle to beat pay driver Pedro Diniz!
To this day Hill, a man of great humility, admits that he was nothing special.
t in damp conditions. I remember Alesi driving rings around other drivers who were on wet tyres whilst he was still on slicks.I seem to remember Alonso being out qualified by whatever no-hope was in the other minardi seat at the time
en 1995 Belgian GP when he was on wets could not even beat a slick shod Schumi at a damp Spa.
At Arrows Hill would from time to time struggle to beat pay driver Pedro Diniz!
To this day Hill, a man of great humility, admits that he was nothing special.
Lewis has certainly matured over the years from the raw talent he was in 2007 (when he should have won the title but did the FIA or Bernie really want a rookie winner when Ferrari were bhing about everything that had gone on at McLaren).
a great driver yes. one of the quickest yes. also smarter now. he was prepared to take a hit on last year as they knew this year (and next) the merc would be a winner.
drivers like Schumi have done that in the past and done some investment years with huge pay off. had Senna lived he would have dominated 94, 95 and then 96.
I think its great that the bet has paid off for Lewis as a UK driver in a UK based team ( I know the merc is German as the parent but the team is based in the UK)
he needs more than 1 or even 2 WCs to be seen as a true great but the way he is going he should be there with that car/team. I think he has the edge over Rosberg and if he wins Spain, then Monaco he will be unstoppable as a driver. only the car and other team progressing will dictates the outcome of 2014.
personally I love seeing any British driver from a British team doing well. lets enjoy the moment as the sulky kraut is struggling as are his sulky rule bending, cheat-a55 team. are they going to pull out? nah, called your bluff there mr red bull.
hing about everything that had gone on at McLaren). a great driver yes. one of the quickest yes. also smarter now. he was prepared to take a hit on last year as they knew this year (and next) the merc would be a winner.
drivers like Schumi have done that in the past and done some investment years with huge pay off. had Senna lived he would have dominated 94, 95 and then 96.
I think its great that the bet has paid off for Lewis as a UK driver in a UK based team ( I know the merc is German as the parent but the team is based in the UK)
he needs more than 1 or even 2 WCs to be seen as a true great but the way he is going he should be there with that car/team. I think he has the edge over Rosberg and if he wins Spain, then Monaco he will be unstoppable as a driver. only the car and other team progressing will dictates the outcome of 2014.
personally I love seeing any British driver from a British team doing well. lets enjoy the moment as the sulky kraut is struggling as are his sulky rule bending, cheat-a55 team. are they going to pull out? nah, called your bluff there mr red bull.
which doesn't alter the fact. 
RealSquirrels said:
and at the same time, mclaren publicly said they'd offered more cash than mercedes.
Quite. Everyone was well aware that it was all about this season, not 2013.
I'll hold my hands up to thinking that it was a mistake for Lewis to move to the brackley team, but my reasoning was that at that point the team had never produced a championship challenging car as the 09 car they ran was a leafield design. It seems that Mercedes getting every technical specialist they could has worked.
I don't think Lewis ever thought he would leave.
I think that back in 2007 he thought that he would win 3 WDCs in 5 years, get the prize F1GTR and see out his career there. I think there was a genuine Clark/Chapman Dennis/Hamilton love-in going on. Even after China 07 the love in was still there, 08 was obviously successful and it was the start of 09 when the seeds of doubt were sewn. being a very equal no1 driver paired with Button for 10,11&12 may have taken the shine off even more, especially McLaren throwing everything away in 11 iirc.
I don't believe most of what was written by Mark Hughes in Motorsport Magazine a couple of issues ago about the various back-stories etc. It seemed like a bit of a hatchet job to me, but what bits are publicly true unproven won't have helped at all.
ref that article, Has Ron Dennis bummed Mark Hughes' wife or something?
I think that back in 2007 he thought that he would win 3 WDCs in 5 years, get the prize F1GTR and see out his career there. I think there was a genuine Clark/Chapman Dennis/Hamilton love-in going on. Even after China 07 the love in was still there, 08 was obviously successful and it was the start of 09 when the seeds of doubt were sewn. being a very equal no1 driver paired with Button for 10,11&12 may have taken the shine off even more, especially McLaren throwing everything away in 11 iirc.
I don't believe most of what was written by Mark Hughes in Motorsport Magazine a couple of issues ago about the various back-stories etc. It seemed like a bit of a hatchet job to me, but what bits are publicly true unproven won't have helped at all.
ref that article, Has Ron Dennis bummed Mark Hughes' wife or something?
Not the current one.
I think it was the first edition that had any MH content.
The gist is basically that as soon as Anthony Hamilton heard about spygate, he went to Max and Bernie and said that he didn't think Ron should be around anymore. Ron and Bernie obviously bowed down to AH's massive influence and experience and put everything in motion.
lots of other background stuff, but it really did read like a hatchet job to me.
I think it was the first edition that had any MH content.
The gist is basically that as soon as Anthony Hamilton heard about spygate, he went to Max and Bernie and said that he didn't think Ron should be around anymore. Ron and Bernie obviously bowed down to AH's massive influence and experience and put everything in motion.
lots of other background stuff, but it really did read like a hatchet job to me.
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