F1 engine note - Why all the haters?
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lord trumpton said:
I love the sound!
OK to many it will sound like a monotonous grunting sound but if you listen closely there is some amazing turbo spool, wastegate chatter and antilag
What's wrong with that lot?
It sounds like sOK to many it will sound like a monotonous grunting sound but if you listen closely there is some amazing turbo spool, wastegate chatter and antilag
What's wrong with that lot?
t compared to a 19000-20000rpm V10 circa 2004. It's also quieter - F1 cars should be borderline painful to hear, and your organs should feel the noise as well as your ears hearing it.The difficulty with the ERS-H (turbo-regen machine) is that it removes energy from the exhaust which would otherwise be noise. The cars are too quiet, and the noise they make isn't racy enough.
If you compare F1 today with a NASCAR, the stock car sounds much better. Shocking state of affairs.
lord trumpton said:
I love the sound!
OK to many it will sound like a monotonous grunting sound but if you listen closely there is some amazing turbo spool, wastegate chatter and antilag
What's wrong with that lot?
Why would I want to listen closely to hear wastegate chatter over the top of the monotonous grunting? I want to be aurally assaulted by a howling V10/12. OK to many it will sound like a monotonous grunting sound but if you listen closely there is some amazing turbo spool, wastegate chatter and antilag
What's wrong with that lot?
Maybe it makes less difference if you are sitting on your sofa watching the TV, but when watching the race from the side of the track the sound has always been one of the outstanding experiences of F1.
Mr2Mike said:
lord trumpton said:
I love the sound!
OK to many it will sound like a monotonous grunting sound but if you listen closely there is some amazing turbo spool, wastegate chatter and antilag
What's wrong with that lot?
Why would I want to listen closely to hear wastegate chatter over the top of the monotonous grunting? I want to be aurally assaulted by a howling V10/12. OK to many it will sound like a monotonous grunting sound but if you listen closely there is some amazing turbo spool, wastegate chatter and antilag
What's wrong with that lot?
Maybe it makes less difference if you are sitting on your sofa watching the TV, but when watching the race from the side of the track the sound has always been one of the outstanding experiences of F1.
I think F1 engines should be the pinnacle of motor vehicle engineering. Something you will see on the road in the next 20 years, like 4 valves per cylinder, variable valve lift and timing, and high specific power output and true fuel efficiency (not economy). The current F1 cars are doing this with V6 turbo's and regen systems.
HOWEVER for noise & spectacle I would have a Formula 5000 running any configuartion you like providing it is 5 litres and a max rev limit of 9000 oucght to do it.
That would sound awesome, imagine V12 Ferrari's racing V8 AMG mercs and V8 Twin Turbo BMW's. Oh and have a mental left field British entry, like an H16 (two boxer 8's on a common crank). Audi could always rock up with a W16...
I would pay to go to that...
HOWEVER for noise & spectacle I would have a Formula 5000 running any configuartion you like providing it is 5 litres and a max rev limit of 9000 oucght to do it.
That would sound awesome, imagine V12 Ferrari's racing V8 AMG mercs and V8 Twin Turbo BMW's. Oh and have a mental left field British entry, like an H16 (two boxer 8's on a common crank). Audi could always rock up with a W16...
I would pay to go to that...
Eric Mc said:
Fantuzzi said:
Because European racing engines have always been epitomized by a high pitched sound, and F1 engines are often seen as the peak of this.
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Fantuzzi also seems to be ignoring the fact that many of the cars in American racing were from Europe (McLaren in Can-Am, Lola or Reynard in Indycar?)
Edited by CraigyMc on Tuesday 27th May 09:13
My uncle went to Barcelona, he's a mahussive F1 fan, been following it all his life and was sadly disappointed with the noise... He appreciated that you could hold a conversation and wasn't deaf by the end of the race but said it just sounded like a Formula Ford race, noisy but a bit piddly.
I have had the benefit of hearing them at Monaco
My opinion is the actual sound is good when they are gunning it, and all the turbo noises etc. but when they are cruising it does sound like a wet fart.
Noise wise, I don't think they were much quieter than the GP2's.
But didn't get the chance to hear a V8etc to compare to.
But definatly didn't need plugs. But it was loud enough to hear them around the track
My opinion is the actual sound is good when they are gunning it, and all the turbo noises etc. but when they are cruising it does sound like a wet fart.
Noise wise, I don't think they were much quieter than the GP2's.
But didn't get the chance to hear a V8etc to compare to.
But definatly didn't need plugs. But it was loud enough to hear them around the track
CraigyMc said:
This is somewhat hilarious if anyone's ever seen things like the Brooklands-era cars that revved to a heady 2500rpm - these sound like thunder.
Fantuzzi also seems to be ignoring the fact that many of the cars in American racing were from Europe (McLaren in Can-Am, Lola or Reynard in Indycar?)
Although Brooklands car weren't normally built to the GP specs of that era.Fantuzzi also seems to be ignoring the fact that many of the cars in American racing were from Europe (McLaren in Can-Am, Lola or Reynard in Indycar?)
Edited by CraigyMc on Tuesday 27th May 09:13
However, if you look at genuine GP cars going right back to 1906 (when GP racing actually started), many of them were definitely not "screamers". Early engines were slow revving "thumpers" featuring large bore and long stroke.
By the 1930s the revs had gone up but they were still not screamers - more like "raspers" (listen to a 1930s Mercedes or Auto Union).
I think the first true screaming F1 engine was the hopeless BRM V16 which failed miserably as an effective power plant. Most 1950s F1 engines revved under 10,000 rpm. I love the growl of the 1954/55 Mercedes Straight 6.
The next true screamers were the little 1.5 litre Honda V12 fited to their cars in 1965/65.
Even the Ford DFV Cosworth V8 was not that much of a screamer. The seminal book on the engine is called "Such Sweet Thunder" - not "Such Sweet Screamer".
The nearest we got to true screamers in those days were the Flat 12s and V12s used by teams such as Ferrari or Matra.
True screaming F1 engines finally emerged in the 1990s when pneumatic and hydraulic valve technology allowed rev limits way beyond what could be achieved with spring actuated valves.
On Thursday, I watched FP2 on my laptop and listened with decent headphones.
I have to say that the sound was much improved by that, and you can hear so much more detail noise from the tyres. Seamless gear changes are what differentiate top end race cars from older, or more ordinary stuff, if you saw the clip of DH driving the turbo Renault, the sound was not massively different, just the volume.
The cars now look more difficult to drive, having the back end step out next to the Armco must be a butt clenching moment.
I would have preferred that they had not changed, but overall, I think the show has been improved.
I have to say that the sound was much improved by that, and you can hear so much more detail noise from the tyres. Seamless gear changes are what differentiate top end race cars from older, or more ordinary stuff, if you saw the clip of DH driving the turbo Renault, the sound was not massively different, just the volume.
The cars now look more difficult to drive, having the back end step out next to the Armco must be a butt clenching moment.
I would have preferred that they had not changed, but overall, I think the show has been improved.
I like the new cars a lot more than the old V8's.
They sound fine to me when I was at the Spanish GP.
And I like the fact that the extra torque from the leccy motors and the lack of blown diffusers makes the cars much more of a handful.
The TV coverage is affected because the TV companies seem to be rubbish at properly capturing the sound, however.
Overall though, I am very happy with the new cars.
They sound fine to me when I was at the Spanish GP.
And I like the fact that the extra torque from the leccy motors and the lack of blown diffusers makes the cars much more of a handful.
The TV coverage is affected because the TV companies seem to be rubbish at properly capturing the sound, however.
Overall though, I am very happy with the new cars.
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