Can a female legitimately compete in F1?
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TheRealFingers99 said:
A good few years ago it was estimated that it took £3 million to make it to F1. If you get there, it can be a decent investment (perhaps less so now with "pay for drive" and "bring your own sponsor").
well, going by Max's case, I would suggest it's more like £10M now....TheRealFingers99 said:
A good few years ago it was estimated that it took £3 million to make it to F1. If you get there, it can be a decent investment (perhaps less so now with "pay for drive" and "bring your own sponsor").
If you mean a good few years ago then perhaps 25years. A top GP2 drive is £2million.
I understand that Rossi paid something in the region of $18million for his GP2 drive and the test position that he had in Caterham.
Maldonaldo is paying $60million plus whatever was still owed to Williams as he had to buy his way out of the contract.
There's only 6 or 8 drivers that are being paid eg getting a salary in F1. Everyone else is bringing money to the table.
vonuber said:
Susie Wolff was interviews by 5 live on Friday (it's on the podcast if you want to listen) it was very interesting, and she openly admits being married to Wolff is not a hindrance.. but then points out no-one points out the advantages Nico Rosberg has had for example.
Fair enough. Did she point out Nico's FBMW Championship or his wins in F3, or his GP2 Championship, in comparison with her.........0 wins in FRenault. 0 wins in F3. 0 wins in DTM. In fact not even a sniff of a win in over 120 races. Is there anyone else with such a record who would think they deserved a chance in F1? Even Chilton has a better record. Just.
REALIST123 said:
Fair enough. Did she point out Nico's FBMW Championship or his wins in F3, or his GP2 Championship, in comparison with her.........0 wins in FRenault. 0 wins in F3. 0 wins in DTM. In fact not even a sniff of a win in over 120 races.
Is there anyone else with such a record who would think they deserved a chance in F1? Even Chilton has a better record. Just.
I agree, I cannot see her getting a race seat but she must be doing something right as a development driver. F1 is too expensive to let someone have a go just because they have a womb (this is also a point she makes in her 5 live interview)Is there anyone else with such a record who would think they deserved a chance in F1? Even Chilton has a better record. Just.
Mr_Thyroid said:
I agree, I cannot see her getting a race seat but she must be doing something right as a development driver. F1 is too expensive to let someone have a go just because they have a womb (this is also a point she makes in her 5 live interview)
Paying money, that's it.No way is she any kind of development driver.
clonmult said:
Wolff deserves a place on the grid as much as Chilton and a good few others. ie. doesn't really deserve to be there at all.
I'm not one to usually rush to Max Chilton's defence, but there's clearly different levels. Susie Wolff has NEVER won a motor race.. at any level. She hasn't driven a single seater competitively since 2005, nine years ago. She is by far the least qualified person to drive a F1 car at a Grand Prix meeting (that I can recall!). Even by F1 standards, it's utter madness.But back to the original question, why not? It'll just be a matter on time until someone amazing comes along.
Dan Friel said:
clonmult said:
Wolff deserves a place on the grid as much as Chilton and a good few others. ie. doesn't really deserve to be there at all.
I'm not one to usually rush to Max Chilton's defence, but there's clearly different levels. Susie Wolff has NEVER won a motor race.. at any level. She hasn't driven a single seater competitively since 2005, nine years ago. She is by far the least qualified person to drive a F1 car at a Grand Prix meeting (that I can recall!). Even by F1 standards, it's utter madness.But back to the original question, why not? It'll just be a matter on time until someone amazing comes along.
NooBish AbbZ said:
the way I see it, if they can compete at a similar level to the males, then there is no reason why one couldn't Surely that's all it boils down to? If anybody has the ability then that's all that should matter'their gender should not be a decisive factor
Correct!Question; equal drivers, different sex who is more likely to get to F1?
stevesingo said:
NooBish AbbZ said:
the way I see it, if they can compete at a similar level to the males, then there is no reason why one couldn't Surely that's all it boils down to? If anybody has the ability then that's all that should matter'their gender should not be a decisive factor
Correct!Question; equal drivers, different sex who is more likely to get to F1?
NooBish AbbZ said:
the way I see it, if they can compete at a similar level to the males, then there is no reason why one couldn't Surely that's all it boils down to? If anybody has the ability then that's all that should matter'their gender should not be a decisive factor
how fit is the woman?Dan Friel said:
clonmult said:
Wolff deserves a place on the grid as much as Chilton and a good few others. ie. doesn't really deserve to be there at all.
I'm not one to usually rush to Max Chilton's defence, but there's clearly different levels. Susie Wolff has NEVER won a motor race.. at any level. She hasn't driven a single seater competitively since 2005, nine years ago. She is by far the least qualified person to drive a F1 car at a Grand Prix meeting (that I can recall!). Even by F1 standards, it's utter madness.But back to the original question, why not? It'll just be a matter on time until someone amazing comes along.
It's really f
king difficult for girls to get into racing, and to have all the benefits men have in life re: cars.Girls are brought up with barbies, not cars. The informative years of their lives are not spent playing with cars, society indoctrinates them with other crap. I have three girls, and I know this very well.
It doesn't matter how much I try and push them towards cars, I have the rest f my family, the in laws family, friends, school, tv, rolemodels to fight against. So if you do manage to get past all of that you have to persuade the sponsors, make sure this girl is tough enough to deal with the inevitable sexism and being looked down on, as is happening on this very motoring forum.
What all of that does is vastly reduces the chance of a girl growing into a racing driver; and by reducing the numbers you are reducing the chance of one of them being that special talent, and so for a female to win the WDC.
No. There's plenty of evidence that women cannot compete on the same level as men in a variety of sports that require endurance, strength and/or aggression.
But why don't they do what they do with other sports, and have a female entrant-only formulae? I'd happily watch it. If one turns out to be head and shoulders above the rest, I'm sure opportunities would arise for a shot in the male formula.
But why don't they do what they do with other sports, and have a female entrant-only formulae? I'd happily watch it. If one turns out to be head and shoulders above the rest, I'm sure opportunities would arise for a shot in the male formula.
Efbe said:
it is a matter of time, but there is a huge point being missed here.
It's really fking difficult for girls to get into racing, and to have all the benefits men have in life re: cars.
Girls are brought up with barbies, not cars. The informative years of their lives are not spent playing with cars, society indoctrinates them with other crap. I have three girls, and I know this very well.
It doesn't matter how much I try and push them towards cars, I have the rest f my family, the in laws family, friends, school, tv, rolemodels to fight against. So if you do manage to get past all of that you have to persuade the sponsors, make sure this girl is tough enough to deal with the inevitable sexism and being looked down on, as is happening on this very motoring forum.
What all of that does is vastly reduces the chance of a girl growing into a racing driver; and by reducing the numbers you are reducing the chance of one of them being that special talent, and so for a female to win the WDC.
Plenty of men have got into racing against the wishes of their family. Young girls very generally just find Barbies more interesting than cars it isn't a conspiracy to indoctrinate them. Toy manufacturers would far prefer it if all children played with the same toys, but try as they might boys and girls are different.It's really f
king difficult for girls to get into racing, and to have all the benefits men have in life re: cars.Girls are brought up with barbies, not cars. The informative years of their lives are not spent playing with cars, society indoctrinates them with other crap. I have three girls, and I know this very well.
It doesn't matter how much I try and push them towards cars, I have the rest f my family, the in laws family, friends, school, tv, rolemodels to fight against. So if you do manage to get past all of that you have to persuade the sponsors, make sure this girl is tough enough to deal with the inevitable sexism and being looked down on, as is happening on this very motoring forum.
What all of that does is vastly reduces the chance of a girl growing into a racing driver; and by reducing the numbers you are reducing the chance of one of them being that special talent, and so for a female to win the WDC.
Are you seriously suggesting schools and TV try to persuade women not to go motor racing? When do they do this? Why? And who cares about role models anyway? Fangio, Senna, Stewart, Hamilton etc did not worry about 'role models', they just worked their butts off.
Girls who want to race have the same chance as boys, IE very little. If it really was more difficult for girls to get into it those who did race would win everything in sight. The fact is that once a woman gets on the same grid in a competitive car she tends to do no better or worse than the men.
Pat Moss and Michele Mouton have been mentioned as top female drivers.
I'm surprised nobody has thought of this lady who showed all the guys how it's done.
First woman champion in her branch of motor sport.
First driver in it (regardless of gender) to win 3 back-to-back races.
First double champion (ditto).
First triple champion (ditto).
The issue with F1 for any driver, male or female, is the limited number of seats. There is plenty of talent out there, all of whom have no chance while people like Maldonardo, who does nothing but bring a shed load of cash to a team, dam the river.
I'm surprised nobody has thought of this lady who showed all the guys how it's done.
First woman champion in her branch of motor sport.
First driver in it (regardless of gender) to win 3 back-to-back races.
First double champion (ditto).
First triple champion (ditto).
The issue with F1 for any driver, male or female, is the limited number of seats. There is plenty of talent out there, all of whom have no chance while people like Maldonardo, who does nothing but bring a shed load of cash to a team, dam the river.
Red Devil said:
Pat Moss and Michele Mouton have been mentioned as top female drivers.
I'm surprised nobody has thought of this lady who showed all the guys how it's done.
First woman champion in her branch of motor sport.
First driver in it (regardless of gender) to win 3 back-to-back races.
First double champion (ditto).
First triple champion (ditto).
The issue with F1 for any driver, male or female, is the limited number of seats. There is plenty of talent out there, all of whom have no chance while people like Maldonardo, who does nothing but bring a shed load of cash to a team, dam the river.
OK, I will ask....who is she?I'm surprised nobody has thought of this lady who showed all the guys how it's done.
First woman champion in her branch of motor sport.
First driver in it (regardless of gender) to win 3 back-to-back races.
First double champion (ditto).
First triple champion (ditto).
The issue with F1 for any driver, male or female, is the limited number of seats. There is plenty of talent out there, all of whom have no chance while people like Maldonardo, who does nothing but bring a shed load of cash to a team, dam the river.
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