Can a female legitimately compete in F1?
Discussion
Dr Jekyll said:
Efbe said:
it is a matter of time, but there is a huge point being missed here.
It's really f
king difficult for girls to get into racing, and to have all the benefits men have in life re: cars.
Girls are brought up with barbies, not cars. The informative years of their lives are not spent playing with cars, society indoctrinates them with other crap. I have three girls, and I know this very well.
It doesn't matter how much I try and push them towards cars, I have the rest f my family, the in laws family, friends, school, tv, rolemodels to fight against. So if you do manage to get past all of that you have to persuade the sponsors, make sure this girl is tough enough to deal with the inevitable sexism and being looked down on, as is happening on this very motoring forum.
What all of that does is vastly reduces the chance of a girl growing into a racing driver; and by reducing the numbers you are reducing the chance of one of them being that special talent, and so for a female to win the WDC.
Plenty of men have got into racing against the wishes of their family. Young girls very generally just find Barbies more interesting than cars it isn't a conspiracy to indoctrinate them. Toy manufacturers would far prefer it if all children played with the same toys, but try as they might boys and girls are different.It's really f
king difficult for girls to get into racing, and to have all the benefits men have in life re: cars.Girls are brought up with barbies, not cars. The informative years of their lives are not spent playing with cars, society indoctrinates them with other crap. I have three girls, and I know this very well.
It doesn't matter how much I try and push them towards cars, I have the rest f my family, the in laws family, friends, school, tv, rolemodels to fight against. So if you do manage to get past all of that you have to persuade the sponsors, make sure this girl is tough enough to deal with the inevitable sexism and being looked down on, as is happening on this very motoring forum.
What all of that does is vastly reduces the chance of a girl growing into a racing driver; and by reducing the numbers you are reducing the chance of one of them being that special talent, and so for a female to win the WDC.
Are you seriously suggesting schools and TV try to persuade women not to go motor racing? When do they do this? Why? And who cares about role models anyway? Fangio, Senna, Stewart, Hamilton etc did not worry about 'role models', they just worked their butts off.
Girls who want to race have the same chance as boys, IE very little. If it really was more difficult for girls to get into it those who did race would win everything in sight. The fact is that once a woman gets on the same grid in a competitive car she tends to do no better or worse than the men.
thiscocks said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Efbe said:
it is a matter of time, but there is a huge point being missed here.
It's really fking difficult for girls to get into racing, and to have all the benefits men have in life re: cars.
Girls are brought up with barbies, not cars. The informative years of their lives are not spent playing with cars, society indoctrinates them with other crap. I have three girls, and I know this very well.
It doesn't matter how much I try and push them towards cars, I have the rest f my family, the in laws family, friends, school, tv, rolemodels to fight against. So if you do manage to get past all of that you have to persuade the sponsors, make sure this girl is tough enough to deal with the inevitable sexism and being looked down on, as is happening on this very motoring forum.
What all of that does is vastly reduces the chance of a girl growing into a racing driver; and by reducing the numbers you are reducing the chance of one of them being that special talent, and so for a female to win the WDC.
Plenty of men have got into racing against the wishes of their family. Young girls very generally just find Barbies more interesting than cars it isn't a conspiracy to indoctrinate them. Toy manufacturers would far prefer it if all children played with the same toys, but try as they might boys and girls are different.It's really f
king difficult for girls to get into racing, and to have all the benefits men have in life re: cars.Girls are brought up with barbies, not cars. The informative years of their lives are not spent playing with cars, society indoctrinates them with other crap. I have three girls, and I know this very well.
It doesn't matter how much I try and push them towards cars, I have the rest f my family, the in laws family, friends, school, tv, rolemodels to fight against. So if you do manage to get past all of that you have to persuade the sponsors, make sure this girl is tough enough to deal with the inevitable sexism and being looked down on, as is happening on this very motoring forum.
What all of that does is vastly reduces the chance of a girl growing into a racing driver; and by reducing the numbers you are reducing the chance of one of them being that special talent, and so for a female to win the WDC.
Are you seriously suggesting schools and TV try to persuade women not to go motor racing? When do they do this? Why? And who cares about role models anyway? Fangio, Senna, Stewart, Hamilton etc did not worry about 'role models', they just worked their butts off.
Girls who want to race have the same chance as boys, IE very little. If it really was more difficult for girls to get into it those who did race would win everything in sight. The fact is that once a woman gets on the same grid in a competitive car she tends to do no better or worse than the men.
very simply: Girls in general are not pushed towards cars. Because of this there is a smaller pool of talent.
And very very young girls like the same toys as boys, it is society that pushes barbies/families/babies at girls, and guns/cars/war at boys. This should be unbelievably obvious. There is no conspiracy, it is just how society is.
And you're logic on the odd woman getting through is very wrong. it just means the talent pool is reduced. this does not increase the ability of the one to have the desire and support to race
I haven't read the entire thread, but I think I get the gist of it.
Women in F1?
Well, there's absolutely no reason that women should be excluded, if they can be competitive and durable.
My understanding of F1, is that the physical demands of the season, would seem to preclude the majority of women.
It IS physically demanding, requiring a good deal of specific strength. Thick necks, over developed lats, triceps and obliques. These are not the most feminine physical developments a women might choose.
There are also physiological factors, such as aggression, increased competitiveness and a "killer instinct" that are just not naturally present in most women.
There will be a few women who progress through and I am delighted to see it. But they will be the minority.
Women in F1?
Well, there's absolutely no reason that women should be excluded, if they can be competitive and durable.
My understanding of F1, is that the physical demands of the season, would seem to preclude the majority of women.
It IS physically demanding, requiring a good deal of specific strength. Thick necks, over developed lats, triceps and obliques. These are not the most feminine physical developments a women might choose.
There are also physiological factors, such as aggression, increased competitiveness and a "killer instinct" that are just not naturally present in most women.
There will be a few women who progress through and I am delighted to see it. But they will be the minority.
Edited by Nobby Diesel on Wednesday 9th July 01:43
Enforced by female management at Williams, and backed by sugar daddy Toto, I thought Sussie Wolffs stint in the car on Friday was poor. Mostly off the racing line thus lack of control. It was an absolute disgrace and a waste of time!
It always will be! Men produce 20x more testostrone than female, black males producing even more. Women will never compete against man, unless woman takes a copious amount of performance enhancing drugs.
Even then, woman would be sub Chilton standards..
It always will be! Men produce 20x more testostrone than female, black males producing even more. Women will never compete against man, unless woman takes a copious amount of performance enhancing drugs.
Even then, woman would be sub Chilton standards..
Park'O said:
Enforced by female management at Williams, and backed by sugar daddy Toto, I thought Sussie Wolffs stint in the car on Friday was poor. Mostly off the racing line thus lack of control. It was an absolute disgrace and a waste of time!
It always will be! Men produce 20x more testostrone than female, black males producing even more. Women will never compete against man, unless woman takes a copious amount of performance enhancing drugs.
Even then, woman would be sub Chilton standards..
What a load of tripe. Inform yourself.It always will be! Men produce 20x more testostrone than female, black males producing even more. Women will never compete against man, unless woman takes a copious amount of performance enhancing drugs.
Even then, woman would be sub Chilton standards..
If one looks to military aviation, female pilots in fighter planes are considered the equal of men, lots of the qualities required for this role and F1 are very similar, indeed iirc some decision based testing showed women performed better under extreme duress. I accept the ratio of male to females present in this role is as it is, but there are many other factors at play to influence that ratio. Lack of capability isn't one of them.
Efbe said:
it is society that pushes barbies/families/babies at girls, and guns/cars/war at boys. This should be unbelievably obvious.
That is simply not true. 'Society' frowns on any children playing games involving guns or war. Many parents actually ban their children from having toy guns, but the children themselves especially the boys start making rudimentary replica guns out of anything that comes to hand.I did know a very right on parent who was pleased to see her very young son playing with his older sisters doll, but it turned out the game consisted of tying the doll up and cutting her head off.
BritishRacinGrin said:
Park'O said:
Enforced by female management at Williams, and backed by sugar daddy Toto, I thought Sussie Wolffs stint in the car on Friday was poor. Mostly off the racing line thus lack of control. It was an absolute disgrace and a waste of time!
It always will be! Men produce 20x more testostrone than female, black males producing even more. Women will never compete against man, unless woman takes a copious amount of performance enhancing drugs.
Even then, woman would be sub Chilton standards..
What a load of tripe. Inform yourself.It always will be! Men produce 20x more testostrone than female, black males producing even more. Women will never compete against man, unless woman takes a copious amount of performance enhancing drugs.
Even then, woman would be sub Chilton standards..
Having said that, Wolff is in the car for reasons other than her ability and track record. I am against that just as I am against anyone, man or woman, who is in there because of connections, money or both.
Sadly I think we are at one of the worst times ever for that, accepting that there have always been pay drivers. In the past there weren't that many, if you take out those who paid initially but had the ability to earn their seats on merit after a while.
Park'O said:
Enforced by female management at Williams, and backed by sugar daddy Toto, I thought Sussie Wolffs stint in the car on Friday was poor. Mostly off the racing line thus lack of control. It was an absolute disgrace and a waste of time!
It always will be! Men produce 20x more testostrone than female, black males producing even more. Women will never compete against man, unless woman takes a copious amount of performance enhancing drugs.
Even then, woman would be sub Chilton standards..
That must be why there are so many black racing drivers then.It always will be! Men produce 20x more testostrone than female, black males producing even more. Women will never compete against man, unless woman takes a copious amount of performance enhancing drugs.
Even then, woman would be sub Chilton standards..
Park'O said:
Enforced by female management at Williams, and backed by sugar daddy Toto, I thought Sussie Wolffs stint in the car on Friday was poor. Mostly off the racing line thus lack of control. It was an absolute disgrace and a waste of time!
It always will be! Men produce 20x more testostrone than female, black males producing even more. Women will never compete against man, unless woman takes a copious amount of performance enhancing drugs.
Even then, woman would be sub Chilton standards..
Agree with Wolf comment but Michele Mouton has proven the rest of your paragraph is utter bIt always will be! Men produce 20x more testostrone than female, black males producing even more. Women will never compete against man, unless woman takes a copious amount of performance enhancing drugs.
Even then, woman would be sub Chilton standards..
ks.Park'O said:
I thought Sussie Wolffs stint in the car on Friday was poor. Mostly off the racing line thus lack of control. It was an absolute disgrace and a waste of time!
How many laps before the car let her down and do you know what pace she was driving to for that stage in their program?
vxr8mate said:
Personally, I don't really care if a driver got their seat due to parentage, money etc, but I do care if he can't drive.
Rosberg had a father who no doubt helped him as did Hill etc but they could all drive.
exactly...Rosberg had a father who no doubt helped him as did Hill etc but they could all drive.
the same accusation could be used against Palmers son in GP2, but he seems to be doing the business and is winning on merit.
the sad part is that without his father's name/help/etc he simply would not have got there, even if he is good enough to be the next WDC.
All this theorising is pretty pointless when one thing disqualifies the ladies from single seaters.
As I mentioned earlier, the narrow confines of the cockpit squeeze the shoulders, thus leaving the norks nowhere to go but up.
As a consequence, the recumbent position of the seat leaves said lady unable to see over the mammary mound, thus obscuring her instruments, mirrors and the track.
The only fair way to let women race would be a rule compelling men to drive with a large water melon on their chins.
And we know how Bernie despises melons.
As I mentioned earlier, the narrow confines of the cockpit squeeze the shoulders, thus leaving the norks nowhere to go but up.
As a consequence, the recumbent position of the seat leaves said lady unable to see over the mammary mound, thus obscuring her instruments, mirrors and the track.
The only fair way to let women race would be a rule compelling men to drive with a large water melon on their chins.
And we know how Bernie despises melons.
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