Sutil dropped?
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toppstuff said:
Ok, let me put it another way.
If you are to judge him by "watching the race from start to finish" last season, he was the guy further down the grid when the race started than his team mate, and when the race ended.
Sutil was consistently slower than his team mate. Scored less points. He is therefore less successful. And he certainly has not "performed brilliantly" do use your own words, by any empirical measure.
He shouldn't be there.
He's only there because he has money.
He will never win a race.
He will never achieve anything. Ever.
He is a waste of a seat that some bright young talent could be using.
You're still just going on stats. Sutil was a much better RACING driver than Di Resta actually making an effort to overtake things rather than trundling around whining about everything under the sun; like his team mate.If you are to judge him by "watching the race from start to finish" last season, he was the guy further down the grid when the race started than his team mate, and when the race ended.
Sutil was consistently slower than his team mate. Scored less points. He is therefore less successful. And he certainly has not "performed brilliantly" do use your own words, by any empirical measure.
He shouldn't be there.
He's only there because he has money.
He will never win a race.
He will never achieve anything. Ever.
He is a waste of a seat that some bright young talent could be using.
He's in Sauber because he made a misjudgement in thinking that they would be better than Force India this year. Hulkenberg went the opposite direction and was the one who turned out to be right.
He has SOME money but not the vaste swathes that gets s
t drivers seats (Maldonado + Chilton), so he has to bring something else as well. Gutierrez has more money but no better a driver and that is the reason why his seat isn't the one in question.He as much chance of winning a race than anyone else out there in a Sauber/Caterham/Marussia/Toro Rosso/Lotus.
He used to be handy in changeable conditions though Silverstone kinda showed that he's either forgotten how he did that or he just can't do it with the bucket he's currently driving.
I'm not opposed to your overall inclination, there are drivers out there who could do a better job in his car. But those drivers are none of the ones currently available to the Sauber team. Yes he dropped it in Germany, but he was 11th at the time and pushing hard to stay with the points scorers. He likely still wouldn't have scored had he not made that error, but he was doing all that he could with what he had on the day.
Compare this to Gutierrez who was IN the points at 3/4 distance in Monaco and just had to keep it going, but fell asleep and spun out instead.
It's always risky replacing a driver mid-season, i'm struggling to think of an occassion where it's actually been beneficial to a team.
Lotus last year put Kovalainen in Raikkonen's car for the final 2 races. While he starred in Qualifying for the US GP he dropped like a stone on race day, unable to keep up the pace that the car was capable of. Similarly in Brazil, where he didn't quite make Q3 then went steadily backwards in the race (i stopped being a Kovalainen fan because of these non-performances).
Senna replacing Heidfeld at Renault in 2011 was also a backward step, Bruno finished the season with 2pts to Nick's 34.
Sauber might be lucky, Van de Garde might turn out to be a super-sub like Vettel or Kubica were for BMW in their respective years, but based on the evidence of last season he's going to be just another also-ran.
Like Sutil is now, so what's the point?
There was the Perez factor at Force India, Whitmarsh gave Checo a glowing reference and he also took some money to FIF1. And the legacy McLaren relationship with FIF1 probably helped with Checo getting the drive. That had some effect on Sutil electing to go to Sauber with his sponsorship money, IIRC.
BarbaricAvatar said:
You're still just going on stats. Sutil was a much better RACING driver than Di Resta actually making an effort to overtake things rather than trundling around whining about everything under the sun; like his team mate.
bks. Those stats show that Di Resta came home in front of Sutil more often, despite the same number of retirements.The Sauber is a dog, of that there is no doubt but he's hardly dominating Esteban is he ? Of the races where they have both finished he's only been 1 place in front.
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