The Official German GP Thread 2014 *******Spoilers*****
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I do like the fact that Massa has said he's going to tell the younger drivers to "take it easy" after all these incidents over the past few years.
You do that Massa, but I suggest you go back through them first, and find a common denominator to explain what's happening. Because the one I found, was you.
I'm not saying he hasn't had an unfortunate share of pure racing accidents, but a lot of the incidents have been through him being unwilling to give another driver any space on the track...
You do that Massa, but I suggest you go back through them first, and find a common denominator to explain what's happening. Because the one I found, was you.
I'm not saying he hasn't had an unfortunate share of pure racing accidents, but a lot of the incidents have been through him being unwilling to give another driver any space on the track...
Scuffers said:
VolvoT5 said:
Ps. Love all the safety car conspiracy stuff. Last few races Merc were apparently giving Lewis duff pitstops, yesterday Lewis got great stops but now apparently CW is trying to help Nico by not calling a safety car. 
lewis did not need duff pitsops yesterday as he was never in the running to challenge Nico.as for the lack of SC, it's not so much bias as charlie lacking the balls to upset the crowd would be my guess..
Speedy11 said:
Here Magnussen is along side both Williams
The starts are always manic and fine judgement tends to go out of the window briefly then.Yes, agreed but immediately alongside Bottas, not Massa and being in the least favourable position of all the four leading drivers to negotiate the upcoming turn without checking speed as more experienced drivers usually do. Quite unlike the two better more widely placed Williams cars and the ideally placed Rosberg.
Magnussen showed lack of experience briefly there and was very lucky to get away from the incident relatively unscathed. Next time could be a more serious outcome for him and my favourite team ... McLaren.
The way the two Red Bulls avoided further mayhem immediately behind was impressive. Those drivers have more experience.
I think the Stewards' 'racing incident' and no further action decision was the correct one despite accusations of turning a blind eye with less interference in mind.
One positive. Magnussen will surely learn from the experience.
Hungrymc said:
ash73 said:
Awesome.
His judgement of speed and grip were superhuman. Absolutely exceptional racing.
Just mind blowingly good. I don't think you understand cars and physics if you think it was simply aggressive and lucky.
PhillipM said:
I do like the fact that Massa has said he's going to tell the younger drivers to "take it easy" after all these incidents over the past few years.
You do that Massa, but I suggest you go back through them first, and find a common denominator to explain what's happening. Because the one I found, was you.
I'm not saying he hasn't had an unfortunate share of pure racing accidents, but a lot of the incidents have been through him being unwilling to give another driver any space on the track...
Yet it seems Hamilton doing that gets the thumbs up from many posters here? You can't have it both ways.You do that Massa, but I suggest you go back through them first, and find a common denominator to explain what's happening. Because the one I found, was you.
I'm not saying he hasn't had an unfortunate share of pure racing accidents, but a lot of the incidents have been through him being unwilling to give another driver any space on the track...
P-Jay said:
Scuffers said:
VolvoT5 said:
Ps. Love all the safety car conspiracy stuff. Last few races Merc were apparently giving Lewis duff pitstops, yesterday Lewis got great stops but now apparently CW is trying to help Nico by not calling a safety car.
lewis did not need duff pitsops yesterday as he was never in the running to challenge Nico.as for the lack of SC, it's not so much bias as charlie lacking the balls to upset the crowd would be my guess..
Whether deliberate or not, he was noticeably slow off the mark with at least one stop yesterday when his team had completed their tasks. Even BBC's DC picked up on that and said so.
Smoking tyre lock ups approaching the speed limited area in the Pit Lane are rare and should never be necessary either. Cannot remember seeing that ever before.
ash73 said:
hilly10 said:
To all you Hamilton haters Lewis was awesome today. Just deal with it
Awesome.
What a race and what a performance from Lewis Hamilton, can't understand way so many posters feel the need to verge on the ridiculous with their views, rather than ever admitting he's actually very good.
It's starting to sound like a football discussion in here.
oyster said:
PhillipM said:
I do like the fact that Massa has said he's going to tell the younger drivers to "take it easy" after all these incidents over the past few years.
You do that Massa, but I suggest you go back through them first, and find a common denominator to explain what's happening. Because the one I found, was you.
I'm not saying he hasn't had an unfortunate share of pure racing accidents, but a lot of the incidents have been through him being unwilling to give another driver any space on the track...
Yet it seems Hamilton doing that gets the thumbs up from many posters here? You can't have it both ways.You do that Massa, but I suggest you go back through them first, and find a common denominator to explain what's happening. Because the one I found, was you.
I'm not saying he hasn't had an unfortunate share of pure racing accidents, but a lot of the incidents have been through him being unwilling to give another driver any space on the track...
The way so many PHers never see any faults or errors from their chosen TWO drivers I find puzzling.
MGJohn said:
Some years ago, his impetuousness when entering the Pit Lane cost him the chance of securing a second WDC.
Whether deliberate or not, he was noticeably slow off the mark with at least one stop yesterday when his team had completed their tasks. Even BBC's DC picked up on that and said so.
Smoking tyre lock ups approaching the speed limited area in the Pit Lane are rare and should never be necessary either. Cannot remember seeing that ever before.
Quite a few of the drivers lock up when hitting the speed limited area, infact I remember Martin commenting on it more than once about there being no point in treating the tyre well when your about to change it. Whether deliberate or not, he was noticeably slow off the mark with at least one stop yesterday when his team had completed their tasks. Even BBC's DC picked up on that and said so.
Smoking tyre lock ups approaching the speed limited area in the Pit Lane are rare and should never be necessary either. Cannot remember seeing that ever before.
Although it does seem to happen less often since the new tyres came in.
Daston said:
MGJohn said:
Some years ago, his impetuousness when entering the Pit Lane cost him the chance of securing a second WDC.
Whether deliberate or not, he was noticeably slow off the mark with at least one stop yesterday when his team had completed their tasks. Even BBC's DC picked up on that and said so.
Smoking tyre lock ups approaching the speed limited area in the Pit Lane are rare and should never be necessary either. Cannot remember seeing that ever before.
Quite a few of the drivers lock up when hitting the speed limited area, infact I remember Martin commenting on it more than once about there being no point in treating the tyre well when your about to change it. Whether deliberate or not, he was noticeably slow off the mark with at least one stop yesterday when his team had completed their tasks. Even BBC's DC picked up on that and said so.
Smoking tyre lock ups approaching the speed limited area in the Pit Lane are rare and should never be necessary either. Cannot remember seeing that ever before.
Although it does seem to happen less often since the new tyres came in.
Silverbullet767 said:
No safety car for the 2 incidents near the end smacks of German assistance to Nico at the detriment of safety to the marshalls, a dangerous game to play.
I don't often reply to threads in this section of PH, and seeing something this moronic written down in text explains why.The Germans don't decide when the safety car is deployed. In addition, with all those behind him being on completely battered tyres, and Nico having had a very easy run, do you think it would have made any difference at all? He would have probably overhauled a 1 second gap to the pack before DRS was enabled, and cruised off into the distance safe from any backmarkers.
Some of the tinfoil brigade on these F1 threads really take the biscuit...
Are you the same bloke who is always banging on about how his football team "was cheated"? Because that's exactly what this sounds like.
The SC should have been deployed; marshals on track = SC in my mind... no matter if it's Nico out front, or Chilton, or anyone... I don't think that there's any conspiracy; rather - a hint at: home crowd / let 'em keep going, / type of thing.
Lewis lost 2nd due to the pit stop they made based on the assumption that a SC would be released; the timing ended up being a little off for the pit. Nico looks like he might win the WDC and I think all things being even, it'd be even with Lewis edging him over the season - but, Lewis has had the worse luck since day one; and has been on the back foot since the first race in reality, due to that DNF.
In any case, this German GP was a good one and who knows how the cards will fall over the next half of the season.
Lewis lost 2nd due to the pit stop they made based on the assumption that a SC would be released; the timing ended up being a little off for the pit. Nico looks like he might win the WDC and I think all things being even, it'd be even with Lewis edging him over the season - but, Lewis has had the worse luck since day one; and has been on the back foot since the first race in reality, due to that DNF.
In any case, this German GP was a good one and who knows how the cards will fall over the next half of the season.
Something I think has been missed here is just how lucky Hamilton, Chilton and the Caterhams were in avoiding a nearly stalled Bianci off the start. We've seen this lucky escape a few times over recent years yet was not that long ago such incidents resulted always in nasty rear-enders.
I recall reading somewhere that an F1 car is travelling at over 70mph by the time it reaches the grid spot ahead of them so are driver's reactions better these days or are the cars more responsive to the need fro rapid direction change...or both?
I recall reading somewhere that an F1 car is travelling at over 70mph by the time it reaches the grid spot ahead of them so are driver's reactions better these days or are the cars more responsive to the need fro rapid direction change...or both?
P-Jay said:
CBR JGWRR said:
Myself on last Monday said:
1. Merc
2. Merc
3. Something with a merc engine.
Wasn't far off, was I.2. Merc
3. Something with a merc engine.
StevieBee said:
Something I think has been missed here is just how lucky Hamilton, Chilton and the Caterhams were in avoiding a nearly stalled Bianci off the start. We've seen this lucky escape a few times over recent years yet was not that long ago such incidents resulted always in nasty rear-enders.
No real luck involved - all through the various series this happens fairly regularly and, starting from the rear, you have to be prepared for that eventuality.it's often worse when the staller is mid-pack - cars from the rear arrive on the scene travelling very quickly and are often unsighted by cars in front. With Bianchi stalling where he was it'd have been odd for someone to have hit him I think.
Dave200 said:
Silverbullet767 said:
No safety car for the 2 incidents near the end smacks of German assistance to Nico at the detriment of safety to the marshalls, a dangerous game to play.
I don't often reply to threads in this section of PH, and seeing something this moronic written down in text explains why.The Germans don't decide when the safety car is deployed. In addition, with all those behind him being on completely battered tyres, and Nico having had a very easy run, do you think it would have made any difference at all? He would have probably overhauled a 1 second gap to the pack before DRS was enabled, and cruised off into the distance safe from any backmarkers.
Some of the tinfoil brigade on these F1 threads really take the biscuit...
Are you the same bloke who is always banging on about how his football team "was cheated"? Because that's exactly what this sounds like.
And no, I don't watch kickball, thanks.
From F1 Technical
A yellow flag is a general sign to notify drivers of a dangerous situation on the track that is not caused by themself.
A single yellow indicates danger ahead, such as debris from a crash. Drivers must slow down as they pass; no overtaking is permitted.
A double yellow, consisting of two flagmen waving yellow flags (or one waving two flags) at the same post, indicates great danger ahead. Drivers must slow down and be prepared to stop; no overtaking is permitted.
A yellow flag accompanied with a white sign with SC in black written on denotes that the safety car is on track and that overtaking is forbidden for the duration of the safety car period. A safety car is often used to allow the circuit crew to clear wreckage and clean the track for further racing.
It seemed incredulous that Charlie did not deploy the safety car with the Sauber unsighted about 1m off the racing line. I suppose that he relied solely on the teams telling their drivers where the hazard was located, but marshals running across the track to shift a car without the safety car seemed completely at odds with reasonable expectations.
The actual race outcome seems insignificant in comparison to his judgement in this instance.
A yellow flag is a general sign to notify drivers of a dangerous situation on the track that is not caused by themself.
A single yellow indicates danger ahead, such as debris from a crash. Drivers must slow down as they pass; no overtaking is permitted.
A double yellow, consisting of two flagmen waving yellow flags (or one waving two flags) at the same post, indicates great danger ahead. Drivers must slow down and be prepared to stop; no overtaking is permitted.
A yellow flag accompanied with a white sign with SC in black written on denotes that the safety car is on track and that overtaking is forbidden for the duration of the safety car period. A safety car is often used to allow the circuit crew to clear wreckage and clean the track for further racing.
It seemed incredulous that Charlie did not deploy the safety car with the Sauber unsighted about 1m off the racing line. I suppose that he relied solely on the teams telling their drivers where the hazard was located, but marshals running across the track to shift a car without the safety car seemed completely at odds with reasonable expectations.
The actual race outcome seems insignificant in comparison to his judgement in this instance.
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