What happened to F1?
Discussion
CharlesAL said:
I don't really care too much for what Flavio has to say.
The first thing they need to do is nothing to do with the cars though, they need to make it cheaper and more accessible for the fans.
That's one of the things I took from the Briatore quote, to be honest.The first thing they need to do is nothing to do with the cars though, they need to make it cheaper and more accessible for the fans.
It's the wheel to wheel racing I want to see (ideally without the "fake overtaking" DRS), and I'm less concerned about the noise (although I do agree that the V8s were far superior, and the V10s were on another level).
stephen300o said:
Don't need deaths for excitement.
Not suggesting you do but there needs to be a sense of WTF? and how do they do that? To make it interesting. I grew up in 1970s and 1980s and I can tell you James Hunt, Senna, Barry Sheene, and even Nigel Mansell were heroes. Before them it was Mike Hailwood and Stirling Moss....Who has a picture of Lewis Hamilton on their wall?
It's one of the reasons I still like motorcycle road racing so much.
wormus said:
stephen300o said:
Don't need deaths for excitement.
Not suggesting you do but there needs to be a sense of WTF? and how do they do that? To make it interesting. I grew up in 1970s and 1980s and I can tell you James Hunt, Senna, Barry Sheene, and even Nigel Mansell were heroes. Before them it was Mike Hailwood and Stirling Moss....Who has a picture of Lewis Hamilton on their wall?
It's one of the reasons I still like motorcycle road racing so much.
Rallying, touring cars, motorcycle racing, sports cars etc are just a lot more exciting. Sadly the drivers will never see the same levels of fame of the F1 crew but I admire them a lot more.
DanielSan said:
The last few years have given some of the greatest racing in a long time, and this season even more so. Before criticising it might be worth actually watching it and having a clue what some of you are actually taking about.
Ha ha well said. I'm no F1 fanatic but have become more and more drawn to it over recent years. I like Hamilton, he's a maniac, pretty dangerous and pretty controversial. Take today for example, pushing past Kimi and Riciardo on the same corner. However it is boring in comparison to motogp, even with the same chap winning 9 races in a row.
I dont think there should be pitstops, I don't think a race or a championship could hinge on someone with an impact gun. The tyre's should last the entire race.
SidewaysSi said:
wormus said:
stephen300o said:
Don't need deaths for excitement.
Not suggesting you do but there needs to be a sense of WTF? and how do they do that? To make it interesting. I grew up in 1970s and 1980s and I can tell you James Hunt, Senna, Barry Sheene, and even Nigel Mansell were heroes. Before them it was Mike Hailwood and Stirling Moss....Who has a picture of Lewis Hamilton on their wall?
It's one of the reasons I still like motorcycle road racing so much.
Rallying, touring cars, motorcycle racing, sports cars etc are just a lot more exciting. Sadly the drivers will never see the same levels of fame of the F1 crew but I admire them a lot more.
What I want to see is a grid full of drivers pushing both their own and the cars limits. If the driver pushes a little too far and scores a direct hit on the scenery then as long as he walks away then that's fine.
If one driver takes exception to anothers' move and it ends in fisticuffs in pitlane then that to is fine, i'm quite partial to a bit of pugilism.
Most of the modern 'Drivers' are products of the PR department, I want to watch 'Racers' proper hardmen going toe to toe against each other and the track every other weekend.
Dump the electronic aides and active aero, car must measure X by Y by Z, it must weigh between X & Y and with an engine of Z displacement. Wings of a fixed surface area are permitted and the rules are fixed for the next 10yrs to allow for long term investment.
Bit like Indycar when some bloke by the name of Nigel Mansell had a go...
I still watch it but sometimes I question why.
I'm sick of hearing drivers being told to turn things down, press this button, lift and coast etc.
I'd like less/no communications to drivers. Use the pit boards. I just want to see flat out racing not car/tyre/fuel managers.
Yes it a simplistic view, I don't have all the answers but we need less technology and more driving.
I'm sick of hearing drivers being told to turn things down, press this button, lift and coast etc.
I'd like less/no communications to drivers. Use the pit boards. I just want to see flat out racing not car/tyre/fuel managers.
Yes it a simplistic view, I don't have all the answers but we need less technology and more driving.
Whatever they did with F1 it wouldn't be good enough, there would always be someone that has their idea of what it should be.
People look back with rose tinted glasses saying wasn't it wonderful etc, but was it ? people badly injured or killed, the teams with money still won - for example 1971 Stewart took the title 62 points to Petersen's 33.
If you don't like F1, it isn't a problem but to wish it returned to the 70s is naive.
People look back with rose tinted glasses saying wasn't it wonderful etc, but was it ? people badly injured or killed, the teams with money still won - for example 1971 Stewart took the title 62 points to Petersen's 33.
If you don't like F1, it isn't a problem but to wish it returned to the 70s is naive.
DuraAce said:
I still watch it but sometimes I question why.
I'm sick of hearing drivers being told to turn things down, press this button, lift and coast etc.
I'd like less/no communications to drivers. Use the pit boards. I just want to see flat out racing not car/tyre/fuel managers.
Yes it a simplistic view, I don't have all the answers but we need less technology and more driving.
Thing is, there are race series that provide this, closed wheel and formula. Formula Ford, Renault, touring cars, Ginetta championships, (I reckon Ginetta juniors is one of the best series for spectators), and loads of others, all cheaper and more accessible than F1.I'm sick of hearing drivers being told to turn things down, press this button, lift and coast etc.
I'd like less/no communications to drivers. Use the pit boards. I just want to see flat out racing not car/tyre/fuel managers.
Yes it a simplistic view, I don't have all the answers but we need less technology and more driving.
Let F1 do what it wants and just enjoy something that caters to your interest.
sly fox said:
Benbay001 said:
My nan loves F1.
My nan has absolutely no interest in cars.
That says it all as far as i care.
Ive never watched an F1 race, never will.
Sorry, i think you need to reread your post and see how daft it is on so many levels. My nan has absolutely no interest in cars.
That says it all as far as i care.
Ive never watched an F1 race, never will.
LeoSayer said:
Personally I find this year has been very entertaining and I guess DRS, limited life tyres and fuel regulations have much to do with that.
Yep, agreed. But ideally we'd have regs that deliver the same level of racing without the artificialness of some of the current measures. DRS is nagging me the most. It just feels unfair. And the narrow tech regs make it at bit boring from an engineering point of view. The clever bits that differentiate the cars are all in small details that we can't see. A difficult set of rules to write though. Lots of conflicting interests. The tech geek would like as much of a blank canvas as possible. But that is not good for driver safety and the accountants. The accountants would like to have the cheapest possible cars and the best show for TV. But that, worst case, invalidates the driver's championship. And on, an on.
vz-r_dave said:
No. It's just different racing. The video looks to me like watching a Forza replay on the Xbox. Only 2 things spoil modern F1:
Both broadcasters talking about Lewis Hamilton ALL THE FLIPPIN TIME, whether he's winning losing, crashing or anything else. I don't hate the guy as a driver, he's magic in the car despite being a petulant child out of it; he's just used as the benchmark for everything even though he's just a single WDC.
The commentators. Admittedly this is something that has grown on me over the past few seasons, i didn't used to have any issue with the people behind the mic. But they really do think the average F1 fan is either blind or new to the sport.
BBC especially needs a commentary-mute option while retaining the sounds of the track. But that's not to say Sky is massively better. They have a dedicated F1 channel and still feel the need to explain to the viewers what's going on and why FFS.
Other than those things, i still enjoy it though freely admit it's not as lovable to me as it was between 1995 and 2005 which i cite as my own golden era. The racing in that period was competitive but not artificial, though in drivers every generation has its greats and its lemons.
Both broadcasters talking about Lewis Hamilton ALL THE FLIPPIN TIME, whether he's winning losing, crashing or anything else. I don't hate the guy as a driver, he's magic in the car despite being a petulant child out of it; he's just used as the benchmark for everything even though he's just a single WDC.
The commentators. Admittedly this is something that has grown on me over the past few seasons, i didn't used to have any issue with the people behind the mic. But they really do think the average F1 fan is either blind or new to the sport.
BBC especially needs a commentary-mute option while retaining the sounds of the track. But that's not to say Sky is massively better. They have a dedicated F1 channel and still feel the need to explain to the viewers what's going on and why FFS.
Other than those things, i still enjoy it though freely admit it's not as lovable to me as it was between 1995 and 2005 which i cite as my own golden era. The racing in that period was competitive but not artificial, though in drivers every generation has its greats and its lemons.
Heh, that's complaining on a very high level IMO.
You should watch a race on German RTL for comparison. It's all about the handful of Germans in the sport. And they think the viewers are idiots (which is probably a fairly accurate assumption, many fans came on board here during the Schumacher years and are only interested in seeing a compatriot winning).
And when they are not talking about German drivers, they talk tabloid style about uninteresting events in the private life of some paddock celebrity. And when they are not doing any of that, there is a lengthy ad break. It really is shockingly bad and would be totally unbearable if it wasn't for poor Christian Danner (co-commenting).
It is not that our license funded TV is better though. They only run brief highlights features, but still manage to get it wrong. Today on ZDF they alluded that it was Hamilton's fault he started so far back when they complimented Rosberg for the home win. Someone forgot to watch quali and do what would be a journo's job and check the facts... Appalling.
Honestly, I got myself a dish just to be able to get the BBC coverage here (north west Germany). Such a shame they miss a lot of races now. It is *so* much better than anything free out there.
You should watch a race on German RTL for comparison. It's all about the handful of Germans in the sport. And they think the viewers are idiots (which is probably a fairly accurate assumption, many fans came on board here during the Schumacher years and are only interested in seeing a compatriot winning).
And when they are not talking about German drivers, they talk tabloid style about uninteresting events in the private life of some paddock celebrity. And when they are not doing any of that, there is a lengthy ad break. It really is shockingly bad and would be totally unbearable if it wasn't for poor Christian Danner (co-commenting).
It is not that our license funded TV is better though. They only run brief highlights features, but still manage to get it wrong. Today on ZDF they alluded that it was Hamilton's fault he started so far back when they complimented Rosberg for the home win. Someone forgot to watch quali and do what would be a journo's job and check the facts... Appalling.
Honestly, I got myself a dish just to be able to get the BBC coverage here (north west Germany). Such a shame they miss a lot of races now. It is *so* much better than anything free out there.
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