The Official Hungarian GP Thread 2014 *******Spoilers*****

The Official Hungarian GP Thread 2014 *******Spoilers*****

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Flying Toilet

3,621 posts

210 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Crafty_ said:
Scuffers said:
Crafty_ said:
Scuffers said:
thats bks though

the loss of ERS braking was the direct cause of the rear brakes overheating on both cars.

this years cars have smaller rear brakes as when everything is working, they are not required to do that much, problem is when ERS fails they are not up to the job of 100% rear brake loads.
I'll let Paddy know that he's wrong then.
do so please...

and whilst you at it, ask specifically then why he thinks the smaller rear brakes (compared to last years lighter car) are up to the job of providing 100% of the braking requirement at the rear.

(you do realise that half the stuff we are told by the teams is at best misleading?)
What amazes me is that you know so much and are so clever about exactly whats going on yet all these F1 teams are knocking about making a complete mess of it without your help. Surely you are worth millions to them ?

Or maybe, just maybe you are wrong ? Like your promise that they wouldn't use anymore than 10k revs, yet we've seen the telemetry of them using 11,500+ from various cars.

Given where Paddy is and his expertise I'm sure you'll forgive me for believing him, rather than some bloke on the internet.

ash73 said:
I just suggested he might DNF this week because his car has been stretched, that's not a dig. And then Crafty got his stupid knickers in a twist and went off on one.
You didn't suggest, you wished for a DNF on a driver. I didn't go "off on one" just pointed out that far as I can see you are one of those who is consistently down on Hamilton.


Anyway, moving on...

It seems that the now ex-employees from Caterham are taking action for unfair dismissal and breach of contract.

Can't quite figure this one out. I'm not sure if the new owners have done something a bit naughty or if this is a lawyer who is earning a few quid by representing them.. as we know, employment law is tricky but surely given that the owners had just bought the team and will have had a legal team working on it all contracts would have been reviewed, a plan made for redundancies and the due diligence done ?
Seems a bit odd.

Bright sunshine in Hungary at present for GP3 qualifying.

Edited by Crafty_ on Saturday 26th July 09:11
Spot on.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

182 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Sir Bagalot said:
bks!!

The brakes on both cars were fked.

Lewis carried on driving the way Lewis does and broke his car as a result.

Nico backed off thinking finishing in the points is better than a DNF
Good point and Lewis appears to have realised and conceded that would have been the better option since with hindsight.

Is it merely coincidence that for much of his career with two top teams, he appears to have more car problems than team mates. Maybe there's an element of stress playing a part here. Stress can be consistently braking that metre or two later than most other drivers or running a tad wider over kerbs resulting in more stresses or damage to tyres, suspension of the car.

Then there's stress to engine and drivetrain components to consider. We do not hear ALL driver-team verbal exchanges during the races of course but, I did hear team advising even Rosberg to select different gears or engine settings for parts of the circuit to reduce stress.

Surely that is not so much Rocket Science but just plain sense. That consistent 1% or 2% extra stress could be all it takes to mean one car finishes and the other does not.

There's more to consistent success in F1 than simply being the fastest out there or having the fastest car. Perhaps the most successful F1 driver in recent times, Prost did appear to drive with that little bit always in reserve.

Mansell was faster but, an exploding tyre was the difference to his being WDC instead of Prost. One or half a point difference is all it takes or ... took.

Scuffers said:
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(you do realise that half the stuff we are told by the teams is at best misleading?)
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A most astute comment and one I am guilty of making several times in the past.


Edited by MGJohn on Saturday 26th July 10:01

wevster

763 posts

156 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Rosberg had 2 DNFs last season to Lewis's 1.

I would suggest it's just luck rather than anyone being anymore mechanically sympathetic to their cars.

BritishRacinGrin

24,602 posts

159 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Hungrymc said:
You're correct. If I correct the quote does it change the point? Nope.
It absolutely does. There's a difference between

BritishRacinGrin said:
crashyness in Germany
and

Hungrymc said:
great crashyness
As for your later comments about 'having a dig at Hamilton or his fans' and 'having trouble being objective', I criticised an element of Hamilton's drive in Germany and stated supporing facts which nobody could disagree with. I don't see how that is 'having a dig' or not being 'objective'.

Doubtless you're going to have another wildly inaccurate rant in which you are going to put yet more words in my mouth...

MGJohn

10,203 posts

182 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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MGJohn said:
Scuffers said:
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(you do realise that half the stuff we are told by the teams is at best misleading?)
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With the above in mind, this comment over on AUTOSPORT is interesting:~

AUTOSPORT said:
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08:49 That said, Friday wasn't perfect for the title-chasing Briton.

He was critical of the performance of the Pirelli tyres around the dusty Hungaroring, and later brake supplier Brembo said there had not been a single identifiable cause for his qualifying shunt last weekend.
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wevster said:
Rosberg had 2 DNFs last season to Lewis's 1.

I would suggest it's just luck rather than anyone being anymore mechanically sympathetic to their cars.
Luck plays a part but is rarely the major component.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

182 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Meantime, away from the incessant Hamilton discussions. Anyone fancy a non-Merc win here?

I believe it could be on the cards. Bottas, Vettel and even Massa must be in with a chance here.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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wevster said:
I would suggest it's just luck rather than anyone being anymore mechanically sympathetic to their cars.
Going further, Lewis appears to use less fuel and even be softer on his tyres than Nico. These to me indicate less harsh treatment of the car.

However, let's just hope we have a good race tomorrow, perhaps a little rain will spice things up a bit.


vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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I'd really like a Williams win. They've got my support this season, I really want them to do well.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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MGJohn said:
Meantime, away from the incessant Hamilton discussions. Anyone fancy a non-Merc win here?

I believe it could be on the cards. Bottas, Vettel and even Massa must be in with a chance here.
Why leave out Ricciardo? Must be RedBull's best chance of the year. Would've thought the Williams' are less strong here.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

182 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Mr_Thyroid said:
MGJohn said:
Meantime, away from the incessant Hamilton discussions. Anyone fancy a non-Merc win here?

I believe it could be on the cards. Bottas, Vettel and even Massa must be in with a chance here.
Why leave out Ricciardo? Must be RedBull's best chance of the year. Would've thought the Williams' are less strong here.
He is included in the "non-Merc" win is he not?

I'll list all the drivers in with a chance next time ... for the benefit of any pedants. wink

MGJohn

10,203 posts

182 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Jasandjules said:
wevster said:
I would suggest it's just luck rather than anyone being anymore mechanically sympathetic to their cars.
Going further, Lewis appears to use less fuel and even be softer on his tyres than Nico. These to me indicate less harsh treatment of the car.
Keep in mind :~

MGJohn said:
Scuffers said:
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(you do realise that half the stuff we are told by the teams is at best misleading?)
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There's lies, damn lies and ... statistics .. purely on a need to know basis ... wink

Jasandjules said:


However, let's just hope we have a good race tomorrow, perhaps a little rain will spice things up a bit.
Yes indeed. To be fair most races this season have been good 'n's.

slipstream 1985

12,127 posts

178 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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williams need to dump massa and take on grosjean imo. Williams should be on similar points to red bull

Hungrymc

6,642 posts

136 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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BritishRacinGrin said:
Doubtless you're going to have another wildly inaccurate rant in which you are going to put yet more words in my mouth...
You are funny.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

182 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Rosberg is 9-4 to secure pole and the same price to beat his team mate in Qualifying even if they finish say 3rd and 4th for some reason. So, have a few quid on the match @ 9-4.#

Hamilton is as short as 4-11 for Pole with some bookies. Eleven quid wins you a measly four. Hamilton is good, but, not 4-11 good.

Orf they go ... thumbup

RogerVulva

1,130 posts

189 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Lewis screwed over again. Big BBQ. should make for another interesting race.

johnfm

13,668 posts

249 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Hamilton out of qualifying.


On fire.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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MGJohn said:
He is included in the "non-Merc" win is he not?

I'll list all the drivers in with a chance next time ... for the benefit of any pedants. wink
That would help. Thank you.

HTP99

22,443 posts

139 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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What does the poor guy have to do to get a break.

pincher

8,497 posts

216 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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It's just not happening for Hamilton in qualifying at the moment, is it? You've got to feel a bit sorry for him, even if you aren't really a fan of his......

PhillipM

6,515 posts

188 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
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Did he drop a box of mirror last year or something?