The Official Hungarian GP Thread 2014 *******Spoilers*****

[lbc]

Likes Fast Cars said:

But in all honesty I don't mind Massa, he's better than a lot of others in F1 and seems a decent enough guy.

It's funny how his name rhymes with crasher.

Massa only seems to improve when his contract is up for renewal.

[RichB]

MGJohn said:

...Trouble is, the talentless but very lucky young German spoilt the show ...

Come on MGJ you're being disingenuous there. We all recognise Vettel has talent it's just that it's been highlighted how much by Ricciardo.

[deadslow]

MGJohn said:

suffolk009 said:

Henry Fiddleton said:

Alonso to Williams for the last few years of his career?

He brings enough cash with him to make sure the team can deliver...

Wouldn't want to be Massa called into that meeting with the HR department.

"The thing is Felipe, we have to grasp this opportunity for Williams to move up the grid,... and Fernando is faster than you."

Yes, nailed it! His record in that respect speaks for itself.

Because it was written into both Ferrari drivers' contracts. So, be a good lad @ No.2 and move over and allow him to pass just as you were ordered to do when leading Schumacher... Remember? It's not rocket science.

He's brought a lot of cash to Ferrari to make sure the team can deliver lots of Championships for both himself and the team.

Trouble is, the talentless but very lucky young German spoilt the show ..... FOUR season on the trot. How lucky is that!

......

EDIT to add Williams' Directive :~

Sometimes old habits die hard Felipe. So here's a gentle reminder that you no longer have that dark shadow of a millstone around your neck. So now, when you see his Ferrari behind you, no need for the knee jerk move over as was the case in the past. You're driving for Claire, her Dad and yourself now...

Oh yes, watch out for any "racing" drivers, particularly those who's name begins with an M when you close that gap. They may not be so lucky next time which could be sad for all concerned.

Edited by MGJohn on Thursday 24th July 18:27

Honestly can't work out if this is meant to be tongue-in-cheek or just moronic

[RichB]

deadslow said:

Honestly can't work out if this is meant to be tongue-in-cheek or just moronic

Neither, just provocative. You should know by old John simply posts whatever is the opposite of the general opinion simply to get a reaction.

[MGJohn]

RichB said:

deadslow said:

Honestly can't work out if this is meant to be tongue-in-cheek or just moronic

Neither, just provocative. You should know by old John simply posts whatever is the opposite of the general opinion simply to get a reaction.

Tis a tad of both ... with a sprinkling of my own opinion thrown in.

Having written that, anyone still struggling with a "can't work it out" scenario, simple easy to follow guidelines, diagrams and pictures can be provided.

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Oy RichB, not so much of the old. I resemble that remark!

Well ... why not, Helps to pass the lonely hours at my age ...

[heebeegeetee]

MGJohn said:

"Sort of" indeed but not sorted... Maybe he can name it, who would want to pay it?

Eh? Isn't he the only top driver of the past ten years or so not to be drubbed by his team mate?

[MGJohn]

heebeegeetee said:

MGJohn said:

"Sort of" indeed but not sorted... Maybe he can name it, who would want to pay it?

Eh? Isn't he the only top driver of the past ten years or so not to be drubbed by his team mate?

Eh? Isn't he the only driver of the last ten years to have that written into his contract ?

Could be, maybe not. There's better value out there but, if like say Maldonado, he brings a sackful of dough ..... Money not only talks, it SHOUTS!

So, Ferrari not good enough for this exceptional talent. Just saying ...

[FourWheelDrift]

Ted's photobomb

[Crafty_]

@ Ted. What a plonker.


Lots of oversteer from Ferrari, McLaren, RBR and STR this session, I wonder if thats a result of having to use stiffer suspension after FRIC removal ?

Vettel was trying setup changes and then reporting back that he still had "no grip" which I found a bit surprising, I thought that car would be planted. Both they and Williams had new bits to try.

Miserable session for Chilton who did an installation lap and then blew the engine coming in to the tracks.

Seems Kimi prefers high downforce setups/tracks with the Ferrari, he's best of the rest with Alonso 4 tenths behind.

Massa apparently has an old spec floor on his car, Bottas running a newer one that has been in use for a few races now. Symonds just said that due to the number of accidents lately they've run out of the new floor so Felipe's car has to use an older version.

Edited by Crafty_ on Friday 25th July 10:43

[heebeegeetee]

MGJohn said:

Eh? Isn't he the only driver of the last ten years to have that written into his contract ?

Could be, maybe not. There's better value out there but, if like say Maldonado, he brings a sackful of dough ..... Money not only talks, it SHOUTS!

So, Ferrari not good enough for this exceptional talent. Just saying ...

All I know is that all of the drivers we've been talking about over the past 10 years, inc your man Vettel, are all now being beaten by their team mates, except Alonso despite the fact that he's got by far the strongest team mate. I doubt very much that it's in Kimi's contract to be 8 places behind in the championship.

Who do you think is better value then, out of drivers available? I mean I realise Fernando is going to be very expensive, but I think would still be better value for money than pretty much anyone else.

The value of both Nico and Daniel will have rocketed, but they're not available.

[Crafty_]

Graeme Lowdon just said something interesting about FRICs and getting a clear verdict on its legality, he said all you'd need to do is put the system on for a Thursday (I presume scrutineering), it'd get referred to stewards and we'd all find out for sure if it is illegal or not.

From the way it was said I took it that you could put the car in for scrutineering, if it failed remove it and then have it scrutineered again and continue the weekend. Does anyone know the exact procedure ?

[007 VXR]

GP2 times looking very quick

[FourWheelDrift]

007 VXR said:

GP2 times looking very quick

Cecotto returning to form, in being a idiot.

[NRS]

I wonder if it's worth someone like Lotus trying it? They basically have nothing to lose these days, and it could get them a few positions perhaps.

heebeegeetee said:

All I know is that all of the drivers we've been talking about over the past 10 years, inc your man Vettel, are all now being beaten by their team mates, except Alonso despite the fact that he's got by far the strongest team mate. I doubt very much that it's in Kimi's contract to be 8 places behind in the championship.

Who do you think is better value then, out of drivers available? I mean I realise Fernando is going to be very expensive, but I think would still be better value for money than pretty much anyone else.

The value of both Nico and Daniel will have rocketed, but they're not available.

I don't think Kimi is by far the strongest teammate. A lot of people discuss him being very good, and obviously being a WC he is pretty decent. But he seems to be more of a consistent good driver in my opinion, which seems to be the case this season as demonstrated by his results. Hamilton and Vettel are somewhat influenced by their DNFs.

IMO:

Vettel clearly stuffers this season from the lack of downforce with his driving style. He's very much the best when it's working well, but this season the cars just spin the wheels if you plant the throttle early, so it is now is a disadvantage. Hamilton is a very good driver, and can pull off some amazing drives and overtakes and is very adaptable to a car not working 100%. However he can be a bit risky in that if his mind is not fully there he can suffer/ he perhaps takes too many risks in his overtaking. Alonso is also a very good driver, perhaps a little less adaptable but more consistent than Hamilton. All of them are very good at spatial awareness and wheel to wheel driving.

[kybo]

Top 3 contested by
HAM
BOT
RIC
ROS
ALO

Would like to see HAM for the win and Williams on the podium.

It's difficult not mentioning Button, or McLaren, but I'm trying to put a realistic prediction down.

[MGJohn]

NRS said:

I wonder if it's worth someone like Lotus trying it? They basically have nothing to lose these days, and it could get them a few positions perhaps.

heebeegeetee said:

All I know is that all of the drivers we've been talking about over the past 10 years, inc your man Vettel, are all now being beaten by their team mates, except Alonso despite the fact that he's got by far the strongest team mate. I doubt very much that it's in Kimi's contract to be 8 places behind in the championship.

Who do you think is better value then, out of drivers available? I mean I realise Fernando is going to be very expensive, but I think would still be better value for money than pretty much anyone else.

The value of both Nico and Daniel will have rocketed, but they're not available.

I don't think Kimi is by far the strongest teammate. A lot of people discuss him being very good, and obviously being a WC he is pretty decent. But he seems to be more of a consistent good driver in my opinion, which seems to be the case this season as demonstrated by his results. Hamilton and Vettel are somewhat influenced by their DNFs.

IMO:

Vettel clearly suffers this season from the lack of downforce with his driving style. He's very much the best when it's working well, but this season the cars just spin the wheels if you plant the throttle early, so it is now is a disadvantage. Hamilton is a very good driver, and can pull off some amazing drives and overtakes and is very adaptable to a car not working 100%. However he can be a bit risky in that if his mind is not fully there he can suffer/ he perhaps takes too many risks in his overtaking. Alonso is also a very good driver, perhaps a little less adaptable but more consistent than Hamilton. All of them are very good at spatial awareness and wheel to wheel driving.

Nice summary NRS. Cannot go against much of that. I have emboldened a very salient aspect of this season. DNFs. You can also add Raikkonen to that list of two although his DNF at Silverstone was not bad luck. Contrary to popular PHer mindsets, Massa's several DNFs this season were nowhere near self-inflicted as some here would have us believe.

Currently listening to R5Live Sports extra on my Laptop. Running about 10-12 seconds behind live transmission ...

[NRS]

MGJohn said:

Nice summary NRS. Cannot go against much of that. I have emboldened a very salient aspect of this season. DNFs. You can also add Raikkonen to that list of two although his DNF at Silverstone was not bad luck. Contrary to popular PHer mindsets, Massa's several DNFs this season were nowhere near self-inflicted as some here would have us believe.

Currently listening to R5Live Sports extra on my Laptop. Running about 10-12 seconds behind live transmission ...

I think Massa's DNFs are related to is the usual making everything an extreme reaction to perfectly valid points in their own right. Driver awareness seems to be one of the things I have become to appreciate more in recent years. You have some fast good drivers who always tend to be unlucky and be involved in accidents. And that's part of what sets the really great drivers apart. They have better awareness/ lateral vision or something like that, and be able to race hard and close with other drivers even for long periods of time (Alonso/ Vettel recently for example). Massa seems to be a driver who is very fast, but is perhaps lacking somewhat in this part of racecraft. So although the accidents are often racing incidents it is something the best drivers would have generally avoided.

One of the other interesting things which is extremely hard to known is how good the drivers are in the development of the car. In some ways it's less important these days due to the limited testing time (although that makes feedback when driving the car even more important). I guess the ideal situation for a team is to team up a slower driver who is very good at feedback with one of the fastest drivers, even if they lack somewhat in this regard.

[Likes Fast Cars]

kybo said:

Top 3 contested by
HAM
BOT
RIC
ROS
ALO

Come on, get off the fence!

[slipstream 1985]

ham
bot
ric

[Crafty_]

STR's still struggling with rear grip, JEV seemed to be possessed early on, is he getting worried about his seat? Kvyat had a few smaller moments too.

Even Ricciardo had oversteer in the last corner on a quick lap (first on the option I think) that required a big correction.

Lotus are in a mess, they've spent pretty much all of today trying to fix a coolant leak. Grosjean seems to be getting a little frustrated and I can't blame him.

At the sharp end, Alonso got ahead of Kimi, Magnussen splliting them in 5th, some 1.1 seconds ahead of Button who still appeared unhappy with the grip levels.

Lewis was faster than Nico and more interestingly was able to look after the tyres better than Nico, he was doing a 28.8 while Nico was in the 29s and saying the tyres were finished on the radio. Later Nico was asking where he could improve. He was also asked to drive T1 in a higher gear to avoid engine damage.

Vettel was clearing Ricciardo by nearly a second, maybe a little more experience helped him cope with the low grip level a little better.

Chilton must be happy, he lost all of the first session due to the engine change and is a little over a tenth behind Bianchi.