Is David Coulthard right? I think not.

Is David Coulthard right? I think not.

Author
Discussion

digger the goat

2,811 posts

144 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
quotequote all
Considering this thread was started and continued before BBC2 highlights........ The OP and all of you are arses for not putting or reporting it with a 'SPOILER' before posting.....
Gobste tts...

stephen300o

15,464 posts

227 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
quotequote all
Who reads F1 threads before they have caught up to date?

glazbagun

14,259 posts

196 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
quotequote all
I'd say he's more or less right, especially in this new era of "power units" and brake by wire. What can a driver do? Setting a rev limiter isn't really gentle driving, adjusting brake bias to help ailing rear brakes isn't really driving skill. The only things I can think of are times when perhaps a car gets stuck in a gear and the driver has a massive obstacle to overcome.

digger the goat

2,811 posts

144 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
quotequote all
stephen300o said:
Who reads F1 threads before they have caught up to date?
People like me. The same sort of people who expect a little consideration from morons who post twaddle.

I have already made a complaint to the BBC for their news coverage on Radio 2 today at 13-00hrs, when their coverage wasn't until 17-40hrs on BBC2.
Do I have to add you to the list !!??

Likes Fast Cars

2,769 posts

164 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
quotequote all
Not to mention the BBC website ... first thing you see hours before they show the Qualy highlights is "Hamilton caught fire, Rosberg on Pole..." FFS...

MGJohn

Original Poster:

10,203 posts

182 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
quotequote all
digger the goat said:
Considering this thread was started and continued before BBC2 highlights........ The OP and all of you are arses for not putting or reporting it with a 'SPOILER' before posting.....
Gobste tts...
BEFORE HIGHLIGHTS!! Make that BEFORE QUALIFYING !!

Considering this thread was started @ 10:57 well before any live Qualifying coverage, this arse of an OP did not have his crystal balls in gear!

When it comes to Gobste tts, you digger the goat are the Chumpion!

Plus obviously your clocks and timing are all a'cock!

TheInternet

4,703 posts

162 months

Saturday 26th July 2014
quotequote all
stephen300o said:
Who reads F1 threads before they have caught up to date?
Gobste tts.

heebeegeetee

28,598 posts

247 months

Sunday 27th July 2014
quotequote all
MGJohn said:
"virtually gone" "racing gods" ?

If he fails to see how a driver's actions can influence car components' reliability, I think he needs to go back and think again.

Modern F1 cars are very reliable compared to the past but, no matter how reliable they are or become, driver input can always have the final say and upset things.

Even Rosberg had his card marked by his team in Germany to change the way he drove the car with reliability and less stress in mind. Wisely and rightly so.
Haven't you missed the point? The drivers are monitored and told how to drive and what to do during the race. The days of doing that for themselves, the days of those drivers who couldn't think as well as others, have all but gone, along with the drivers ability to influence the design of the car.

As Nico has said at least a couple of times this season, "this is a fabulous car you've given me", and if Nico starts mistreating the fabulous car they've given him they're soon on his case - as you've said.

Which means you unwittingly agree with DC. smile

Mind you in fairness,the likes of Massa, Magnussen and Maldanado definitely have say over the reliability of their cars rolleyes

Floor Tom

406 posts

184 months

Sunday 27th July 2014
quotequote all
digger the goat said:
Considering this thread was started and continued before BBC2 highlights........ The OP and all of you are arses for not putting or reporting it with a 'SPOILER' before posting.....
Gobste tts...
Its really not difficult. If qualifying has happened just don't venture on here until you have seen it, same with the race.
The OP posted before the incident, and the person who posted about it had a point to post but since he wasn't the OP couldn't change the title.
In summary don't come into the F1 forum if you don't want to know anything about the f1, not the difficult I wouldn't have thought.

MGJohn

Original Poster:

10,203 posts

182 months

Sunday 27th July 2014
quotequote all
heebeegeetee said:
MGJohn said:
"virtually gone" "racing gods" ?

If he fails to see how a driver's actions can influence car components' reliability, I think he needs to go back and think again.

Modern F1 cars are very reliable compared to the past but, no matter how reliable they are or become, driver input can always have the final say and upset things.

Even Rosberg had his card marked by his team in Germany to change the way he drove the car with reliability and less stress in mind. Wisely and rightly so.
Haven't you missed the point? The drivers are monitored and told how to drive and what to do during the race. The days of doing that for themselves, the days of those drivers who couldn't think as well as others, have all but gone, along with the drivers ability to influence the design of the car.

As Nico has said at least a couple of times this season, "this is a fabulous car you've given me", and if Nico starts mistreating the fabulous car they've given him they're soon on his case - as you've said.

Which means you unwittingly agree with DC. smile

Mind you in fairness,the likes of Massa, Magnussen and Maldanado definitely have say over the reliability of their cars rolleyes
Yes, yes, yes and YES. However, the simple fact that Rosberg had his card marked by the team suggests driver input/abuse CAN and will affect reliability. He is far from alone by a long chalk and I and no doubt you never hear all the driver-team verbal interchanges ... for obvious reasons. Need to know basis scenario and that includes Coulthard!

DC may have been a half decent F1 pedal pusher and steering wheel twiddler but he could also be one of the many who do not know where the bonnet release is on their cars. No mechanical "bent" as it were, relying on regurgitated stuff others circulate. Could even be a "spannerphobic" like TG's Clarkson... wink Such folks exist ... hehe

There again he could well be a highly qualified mechanical engineer. A very worthy trade and one that has been sadly under valued here in recent decades much to my chagrin. Although there are signs that that mindset is changing. Praise be. There's hope for an also run Nation yet ... smile

Just musing and thinking out loud... in a senior moment or two ... hehe

Meantime looking forward to seeing how Hamilton approaches nineteen slower cars and drivers in front of him in an hour's time.

Bring it on.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 27th July 2014
quotequote all
MGJohn said:
heebeegeetee said:
MGJohn said:
"virtually gone" "racing gods" ?

If he fails to see how a driver's actions can influence car components' reliability, I think he needs to go back and think again.

Modern F1 cars are very reliable compared to the past but, no matter how reliable they are or become, driver input can always have the final say and upset things.

Even Rosberg had his card marked by his team in Germany to change the way he drove the car with reliability and less stress in mind. Wisely and rightly so.
Haven't you missed the point? The drivers are monitored and told how to drive and what to do during the race. The days of doing that for themselves, the days of those drivers who couldn't think as well as others, have all but gone, along with the drivers ability to influence the design of the car.

As Nico has said at least a couple of times this season, "this is a fabulous car you've given me", and if Nico starts mistreating the fabulous car they've given him they're soon on his case - as you've said.

Which means you unwittingly agree with DC. smile

Mind you in fairness,the likes of Massa, Magnussen and Maldanado definitely have say over the reliability of their cars rolleyes
Yes, yes, yes and YES. However, the simple fact that Rosberg had his card marked by the team suggests driver input/abuse CAN and will affect reliability. He is far from alone by a long chalk and I and no doubt you never hear all the driver-team verbal interchanges ... for obvious reasons. Need to know basis scenario and that includes Coulthard!

DC may have been a half decent F1 pedal pusher and steering wheel twiddler but he could also be one of the many who do not know where the bonnet release is on their cars. No mechanical "bent" as it were, relying on regurgitated stuff others circulate. Could even be a "spannerphobic" like TG's Clarkson... wink Such folks exist ... hehe

There again he could well be a highly qualified mechanical engineer. A very worthy trade and one that has been sadly under valued here in recent decades much to my chagrin. Although there are signs that that mindset is changing. Praise be. There's hope for an also run Nation yet ... smile

Just musing and thinking out loud... in a senior moment or two ... hehe

Meantime looking forward to seeing how Hamilton approaches nineteen slower cars and drivers in front of him in an hour's time.

Bring it on.
You do post some garbage John. So Rosberg had his cards 'marked' did he? Did he hell. He was advised about certain current reliability issues and told to drive accordingly. As was Lewis.

But you're right, most people don't hear a fraction of what goes over the radio. I've had the privilege of spending this weekend at the Hungaroring in the company of one of MBs aero engineers. I spent P2 at the back of the garage hooked into the live feed and it is enlightening. My experience has also shown me how little most posting on here really understand about modern F1.

In all honesty you seem to be the ringleader of that group...




MGJohn

Original Poster:

10,203 posts

182 months

Monday 28th July 2014
quotequote all
REALIST123 said:
You do post some garbage John. So Rosberg had his cards 'marked' did he? Did he hell. He was advised about certain current reliability issues and told to drive accordingly. As was Lewis.

But you're right, most people don't hear a fraction of what goes over the radio. I've had the privilege of spending this weekend at the Hungaroring in the company of one of MBs aero engineers. I spent P2 at the back of the garage hooked into the live feed and it is enlightening. My experience has also shown me how little most posting on here really understand about modern F1.

In all honesty you seem to be the ringleader of that group...
Here's some more top quality garbage for you.

P2 !! You no matter how well connected or not to what goes on at M-B, will never have access or be privvy to what goes on within the minds of all involved behind closed doors at the higher or top levels in the firm, including what the drivers decide to do. Few of those employed there will have that access either.

Yes, Rosberg has had his "card marked" in so many ways and his team mate did that for him to excess on Sunday.

Rosberg is no mug and now knows without any doubt how to behave from now on.

I do know human nature. Had certain parties behaved more astutely on Sunday, another M-B GP win was more than a remote possibility. That certain parties did not, made that win assuredly beyond reach.

If the people that really matter behind closed doors do not realise that, very unlikely, more fool them.

Hungrymc

6,643 posts

136 months

Monday 28th July 2014
quotequote all
MGJohn said:
I do know human nature. Had certain parties behaved more astutely on Sunday, another M-B GP win was more than a remote possibility. That certain parties did not, made that win assuredly beyond reach.
I think youre being a little harsh on Nico here, he tried as hard as he could to pass Vergne and to get into overtaking range of Hamilton and just couldnt manage it.

I guess on the bigger question of if the drivers can influence reliability. I'm sure they can but perhaps there is a lesser influence than previous generations. When we look back to the days of missed gears etc they could have a huge impact. Today, the most important issue is that they react properly to the feedback from the telemetary particualry when nursing a sick car.

heebeegeetee

28,598 posts

247 months

Monday 28th July 2014
quotequote all
MGJohn said:
If the people that really matter behind closed doors do not realise that, very unlikely, more fool them.
Good god, it's all over the media that they realise!

MGJohn

Original Poster:

10,203 posts

182 months

Monday 28th July 2014
quotequote all
We shall see.

Any road up, I think Coulthard was correct in laying the blame for the Magnussen - Massa incident on the former was the correct one.

So there ... thumbup

mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Monday 28th July 2014
quotequote all
digger the goat said:
People like me. The same sort of people who expect a little consideration from morons who post twaddle.

I have already made a complaint to the BBC for their news coverage on Radio 2 today at 13-00hrs, when their coverage wasn't until 17-40hrs on BBC2.
Do I have to add you to the list !!??
Eh, you expect the BBC not to report the result on any channel, radio station or website untill they have fully shown the highlights?

What world do you live in?

lap_time

339 posts

226 months

Monday 28th July 2014
quotequote all
MGJohn said:
Here's some more top quality garbage for you.

P2 !! You no matter how well connected or not to what goes on at M-B, will never have access or be privvy to what goes on within the minds of all involved behind closed doors at the higher or top levels in the firm, including what the drivers decide to do. Few of those employed there will have that access either.

Yes, Rosberg has had his "card marked" in so many ways and his team mate did that for him to excess on Sunday.

Rosberg is no mug and now knows without any doubt how to behave from now on.

I do know human nature. Had certain parties behaved more astutely on Sunday, another M-B GP win was more than a remote possibility. That certain parties did not, made that win assuredly beyond reach.

If the people that really matter behind closed doors do not realise that, very unlikely, more fool them.
Says Realist has no idea what he's talking about, because he "will never have access or be privy".

Then goes on to say "but I REALLY know what's going on". Sure, it was "only" P2, but it's still closer than you.

As you were...

BritishRacinGrin

24,602 posts

159 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
quotequote all
Hungrymc said:
I guess on the bigger question of if the drivers can influence reliability. I'm sure they can but perhaps there is a lesser influence than previous generations.
yes

Floor Tom

406 posts

184 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
quotequote all
MGJohn said:
We shall see.

Any road up, I think Coulthard was correct in laying the blame for the Magnussen - Massa incident on the former was the correct one.

So there ... thumbup
Wow, you two must have been watching a different race than me!

eps

6,272 posts

268 months

Tuesday 29th July 2014
quotequote all
MGJohn said:
heebeegeetee said:
MGJohn said:
"virtually gone" "racing gods" ?

If he fails to see how a driver's actions can influence car components' reliability, I think he needs to go back and think again.

Modern F1 cars are very reliable compared to the past but, no matter how reliable they are or become, driver input can always have the final say and upset things.

Even Rosberg had his card marked by his team in Germany to change the way he drove the car with reliability and less stress in mind. Wisely and rightly so.
Haven't you missed the point? The drivers are monitored and told how to drive and what to do during the race. The days of doing that for themselves, the days of those drivers who couldn't think as well as others, have all but gone, along with the drivers ability to influence the design of the car.

As Nico has said at least a couple of times this season, "this is a fabulous car you've given me", and if Nico starts mistreating the fabulous car they've given him they're soon on his case - as you've said.

Which means you unwittingly agree with DC. smile

Mind you in fairness,the likes of Massa, Magnussen and Maldanado definitely have say over the reliability of their cars rolleyes
Yes, yes, yes and YES. However, the simple fact that Rosberg had his card marked by the team suggests driver input/abuse CAN and will affect reliability. He is far from alone by a long chalk and I and no doubt you never hear all the driver-team verbal interchanges ... for obvious reasons. Need to know basis scenario and that includes Coulthard!

DC may have been a half decent F1 pedal pusher and steering wheel twiddler but he could also be one of the many who do not know where the bonnet release is on their cars. No mechanical "bent" as it were, relying on regurgitated stuff others circulate. Could even be a "spannerphobic" like TG's Clarkson... wink Such folks exist ... hehe

There again he could well be a highly qualified mechanical engineer. A very worthy trade and one that has been sadly under valued here in recent decades much to my chagrin. Although there are signs that that mindset is changing. Praise be. There's hope for an also run Nation yet ... smile

Just musing and thinking out loud... in a senior moment or two ... hehe

Meantime looking forward to seeing how Hamilton approaches nineteen slower cars and drivers in front of him in an hour's time.

Bring it on.
I think I remember, when DC first came in to F1 that he was quoted as being one of the very few drivers who spent quite a bit of extra time with the mechanics to get a handle on the workings and set ups of cars. So I think that you are doing him a disservice.