Is it mclarens turn for the gradual decline?

[slipstream 1985]

RemarkLima said:

PW said:

1998 - 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 5th, 2nd, 3rd, DQ*, 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 5th

• They scored the most points; the car wasn't rubbish, just the management.

What definition of "at the front" or "quite a few years" are you using?

Hate to break it to you chap, it's 2014 at the moment. 1998 was 16 years ago... I think most would class that as "quite a few years".

Or do you mean 2008 for Hamilton's title? Still, 6 years is a fair while too...

top 3 is still classed as near the front to me.

[tertius]

Mr_Thyroid said:

tertius said:

Mr_Thyroid said:

Interestingly if you swap Button's results for Alonso's and Magnussen's for Raikkonen's, McLaren would be 3rd in the championship and Ferrari 6th.

.......if you get my drift........



(in case you don't get my drift I'm saying you may get better results with different drivers)

(I'm also implying that Ferrari are in just as much trouble)

Err ... given that only the drivers earn the points with THEIR team's cars) then if you swap the results around then of course the teams change position. If you swap Button's results for Rosberg's and Magnussens's for Hamilton's then bingo suddenly McLaren are first and Mercedes sixth.

I don't think that tells us that Mercedes are in trouble though, unless I'm due a whoosh parrot.

Gee-wizz - I don't know what a whoosh parrot is but did you read my whole post, all 5 lines? I chose the Ferrari drivers for a reason.... to make a point about how I perceive the relative qualities of the cars these once great teams have produced and the drivers they employ.
i.e. the cars are probably pretty equal but Ferrari have Alonso, McLaren don't.

And my point is swapping the results around tells us precisely nothing about the relative merits of the two teams and their cars.

What is your basis for saying the cars are equal?

(As an aside I'd also say that the driver's are part of the totality of the team and I'm not sure that swapping the drivers is a completely independent activity).

[Mr_Thyroid]

tertius said:

And my point is swapping the results around tells us precisely nothing about the relative merits of the two teams and their cars.

What is your basis for saying the cars are equal?

(As an aside I'd also say that the driver's are part of the totality of the team and I'm not sure that swapping the drivers is a completely independent activity).

It was all supposed to be kind of a joke because it's a pointless thing to say because of the reasons you outlined.

My basis for saying the cars are equal is: it's kind of what I reckoned at the time and, as I said before, based on the relative merits of the drivers. Kind of a circular argument really.

Does a chicken have to understand the concept of a road before it can be said to have crossed one?