WTF? Bernie bribes his way out of bribery case?

WTF? Bernie bribes his way out of bribery case?

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anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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RYH64E said:
It makes a pleasant change for the perpetrator of financial wrongdoing to get any punishment at all, they usually pocket their bonus whilst their employer pays the fine.

I don't see the problem with a financial crime being dealt with by way of a suitable financial penalty, especially if the penalty is large enough - and $100m is pretty substantial.
And if you didn't have the money to pay such a massive fine? Would you end up in jail?

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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If anyone can get away with murder, Bernie can.

Jasandjules

69,884 posts

229 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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longshot said:
The bit I'm confused about is how the guy who Bernie Didn't bribe is in prison for accepting a bribes that Bernie didn't give him.
He didn't have 100m USD to bribe the German Govt to leave him out of jail?


RYH64E

7,960 posts

244 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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RenOHH said:
And if you didn't have the money to pay such a massive fine? Would you end up in jail?
I would imagine the fine was considered proportionate for BE, if $100m was the going rate there wouldn't be many takers.

DaveR

1,209 posts

284 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Best of all, Ecclestone won't even notice not having 100m. He gets to avoid the possibility of being sent down for what (for him) is a completely inconsequential sum.

It might seem a bit more fair if the price of keeping his liberty actually meant something to him - which would mean measuring it in £bn.

Walford

2,259 posts

166 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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if you look at the financial crisis, all the scam bank trading, rating agency's giving AAA when they new for years it was a house of cards, how many ended up in court ?

chim666

2,335 posts

265 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Jasandjules said:
longshot said:
The bit I'm confused about is how the guy who Bernie Didn't bribe is in prison for accepting a bribes that Bernie didn't give him.
He didn't have 100m USD to bribe the German Govt to leave him out of jail?
And there it rests m'lud judge

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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http://www.thelawyer.com/news/practice-areas/litig...

This was the first bit of it. Doing a quick sum, the £85 million that he seems to have got from this deal just about covers both the bribe he was said to have paid to the banker and the £60m that he just gave Bavaria.

So the net effect of this for Mr. Ecclestone is that he's all square, a banker is in prison, and Medien is down $85m.

I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that Bernie has bought F1 back off CVC at a low valuation using a shell company in the last few weeks, knowing full well that he had this deal in the works.

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Welcome everybody to the real world. Its pretty ugly at times.

StevieBee

12,877 posts

255 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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mollytherocker said:
Welcome everybody to the real world. Its pretty ugly at times.
Quite.

Rich bloke avoids jail.

German public purse better off to the tune of €100m

Nobody died.

Maybe it's right. Maybe it's not but to be honest, there's a whole heap of stuff worthy of more attention and debate. See the News for more information.

gaz1234

5,233 posts

219 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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Money talks.

longshot

3,286 posts

198 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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StevieBee said:
Maybe it's right. Maybe it's not but to be honest, there's a whole heap of stuff worthy of more attention and debate. See the News for more information.
Go and make a thread about it then.

StevieBee

12,877 posts

255 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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longshot said:
StevieBee said:
Maybe it's right. Maybe it's not but to be honest, there's a whole heap of stuff worthy of more attention and debate. See the News for more information.
Go and make a thread about it then.
Someone has already done so: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?h=0&a...

longshot

3,286 posts

198 months

Tuesday 5th August 2014
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StevieBee said:
longshot said:
StevieBee said:
Maybe it's right. Maybe it's not but to be honest, there's a whole heap of stuff worthy of more attention and debate. See the News for more information.
Go and make a thread about it then.
Someone has already done so: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?h=0&a...
Why are you wasting your time in this thread then?

RemarkLima

2,374 posts

212 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Walford said:
if you look at the financial crisis, all the scam bank trading, rating agency's giving AAA when they new for years it was a house of cards, how many ended up in court ?
It's a good point.

And how many senior management gave themselves a nice big raise for all their hard work ;-)

simonpeter

188 posts

159 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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When you have Bernies kind of money, it is always Heads I win, Tails you loose.
After all how many seriously wealthy criminals end up in prison?

Derek Smith

45,654 posts

248 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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A friend has suggested that there might well be another reason for the acceptance of the settlement. Given that there was the other settlement a couple of weeks ago, this of an additional £20m.

She's suggested medical reasons.

If the court is presented with evidence of, for instance, a life threatening illness, or perhaps some other medical reason, then this might well come within public interest. It would appear that all the prosecution evidence hasn't been presented. The reasons for this could have something to do with it as well, but I feel certain Haymarket would not appreciate the suggestions she came up with.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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mollytherocker said:
Welcome everybody to the real world. Its pretty ugly at times.
& how many other people have escaped jail time in Germany by payment of a hefty fine. Bernie will not be the 1st, so more (or as much) about the German system.

JonRB

74,534 posts

272 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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According to the BBC, Bernie now has buyer's remorse.

"F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone: I was 'a bit of an idiot' for settling case"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28671472

longshot

3,286 posts

198 months

Wednesday 6th August 2014
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Yes, ofcourse he does.

is this his piss poor attempt at some sort of PR?