Chilton out, Rossi in at Marussia

[Agent Orange]

woof said:

Rossi did a terrific job
Never driven the car before. Limited Sim work and not for Spa and within 1.5secs of Bianchi
Of course 1.5 secs is a lifetime away but with no time in the car that's respectable.
Max was 1.3 secs away from Bianchi in FP2 which is also a lifetime away and considering amount of time that he has on the Sim and in the car is an utter embarrassment.

Funnily enough I said exactly the same!

In addition Rossi is <> 10kgs heavier than Chilton and 10kgs is, if you believe the stats, on average over a season worth 3/10ths a lap. Spa is the longest of all the circuits therefore likely that 10kgs penalises more than 3/10ths.

So possible that Rossi is actually as quick or quicker than Max after a single FP1 session.

You would assume the team already knew that before today so wonder if Rossi's speed compared to Max had something to do with the "contract issues"? ie. Rossi is prepared to match Chiltons fee so either increase the fee per race Max or we bring in Rossi.

[acer12]

woof said:

I don't think Rossi had anymore money on the table.
I have an unconfirmed figure that he paid something in the region of $10m for his Caterham GP2 and Caterham F1 reserve seat - but he's always denied he paid any money to me.

I wonder why? You regurgitating the conversation about his private life on a random Internet forum maybe?

If you do "know" him to an extent that he will give details of his personal finances to you then you would have some respect for him

[rubystone]

acer12 said:

I wonder why? You regurgitating the conversation about his private life on a random Internet forum maybe?

If you do "know" him to an extent that he will give details of his personal finances to you then you would have some respect for him

Common knowledge that he paid that level of cash for his seat actually.

[woof]

rubystone said:

acer12 said:

I wonder why? You regurgitating the conversation about his private life on a random Internet forum maybe?

If you do "know" him to an extent that he will give details of his personal finances to you then you would have some respect for him

Common knowledge that he paid that level of cash for his seat actually.

Exactly.

[acer12]

woof said:

Exactly.

So then why ask him and post it on the net? No wonder he ignored your question....

[lord trumpton]

Can someone please enlighten me here (and sorry to be a drag)

I always thought that F1 drivers were paid by the racing team to drive their car and win races for them. They get paid an amount over a fixed contractual term and they also gain revenue for agreeing to wear sponsors logos etc.

From What I have read above, is this not the case - it seems that MC has to pay to drive for the team? If so how can this be a career? It just seems like a very expensive hobby then. Or is there a transition from paying to being paid? Under what circumstances would this happen?

Also (finally) low end teams like Marussia - why do they exist? What is the aim of the team? I assume its to win races and earn money? How do race teams in F1 earn money?

[rubystone]

lord trumpton said:

Or is there a transition from paying to being paid? Under what circumstances would this happen?

Also (finally) low end teams like Marussia - why do they exist? What is the aim of the team? I assume its to win races and earn money? How do race teams in F1 earn money?

To your first point, Lauda was successful in that transition. Hill senior and junior paid for their drives initially (former by working for CACB.

To your second, the top 10 race teams in finishing order receive payments at the end of the season. That's why there's serious competition at the rear of the field

[acer12]

From a career point of view, he may have a chance of one after he leaves F1 in a series like DTM, LeMan or GT1 where he could earn a modest living, although definitely not enough to pay back the F1 investment

[woof]

acer12 said:

woof said:

Exactly.

So then why ask him and post it on the net? No wonder he ignored your question....

tt !

[Dare2Fail]

lord trumpton said:

Can someone please enlighten me here (and sorry to be a drag)

I always thought that F1 drivers were paid by the racing team to drive their car and win races for them. They get paid an amount over a fixed contractual term and they also gain revenue for agreeing to wear sponsors logos etc.

From What I have read above, is this not the case - it seems that MC has to pay to drive for the team? If so how can this be a career? It just seems like a very expensive hobby then. Or is there a transition from paying to being paid? Under what circumstances would this happen?

Also (finally) low end teams like Marussia - why do they exist? What is the aim of the team? I assume its to win races and earn money? How do race teams in F1 earn money?

You'd be surprised at how few drivers/riders in motorsport are actually paid to ply their trade, even in the top classes. I'm more up to speed on the bike side of things, but I believe it is similar in the four wheeled world. If you take a class like Moto3 in the MotoGP championship there is a young Scot racing there this year by the name of McPhee. Most of the riders in this class are 16-20 years old as it is viewed as a feeder class to Moto2 and then ultimately MotoGP. Despite this the riders frequently are expected to bring £150k-£250k to a team in order to secure the ride. This usually comes in the form of sponsorship funds. It is effectively a way for the teams to bump the responsibility of gaining sponsorship onto the riders rather than themselves. As a result the 'best' rider doesn't always get the job. There will be a point where a rider's talent is enough to secure him the ride, however it is at a very high level that this occurs (I.e. Not everyone in MotoGP is being 'paid' to ride. Some will be securing their seat by bringing funds to the team).

I'm sure I read that in WRC a few years ago there were only 5 drivers who were actually 'paid' to drive in the traditional sense

[woof]

Dare2Fail said:

lord trumpton said:

Can someone please enlighten me here (and sorry to be a drag)

I always thought that F1 drivers were paid by the racing team to drive their car and win races for them. They get paid an amount over a fixed contractual term and they also gain revenue for agreeing to wear sponsors logos etc.

From What I have read above, is this not the case - it seems that MC has to pay to drive for the team? If so how can this be a career? It just seems like a very expensive hobby then. Or is there a transition from paying to being paid? Under what circumstances would this happen?

Also (finally) low end teams like Marussia - why do they exist? What is the aim of the team? I assume its to win races and earn money? How do race teams in F1 earn money?

You'd be surprised at how few drivers/riders in motorsport are actually paid to ply their trade, even in the top classes. I'm more up to speed on the bike side of things, but I believe it is similar in the four wheeled world. If you take a class like Moto3 in the MotoGP championship there is a young Scot racing there this year by the name of McPhee. Most of the riders in this class are 16-20 years old as it is viewed as a feeder class to Moto2 and then ultimately MotoGP. Despite this the riders frequently are expected to bring £150k-£250k to a team in order to secure the ride. This usually comes in the form of sponsorship funds. It is effectively a way for the teams to bump the responsibility of gaining sponsorship onto the riders rather than themselves. As a result the 'best' rider doesn't always get the job. There will be a point where a rider's talent is enough to secure him the ride, however it is at a very high level that this occurs (I.e. Not everyone in MotoGP is being 'paid' to ride. Some will be securing their seat by bringing funds to the team).

I'm sure I read that in WRC a few years ago there were only 5 drivers who were actually 'paid' to drive in the traditional sense

Even Magnussen is bringing money to Mclaren
I think there's only 8 drivers that are paid by the team in f1 at the moment - of course all the drivers get a wage but they take it out of their sponsorship money.

[anonymous-user]

So Max says it wasn't about money, it was more than that, but won't say what. (Autosport)

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck......... Well, you know the rest Max.