Should the FIA start docking points?
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What some discribed as a minor racing accident in yesterdays race will be a whole different ball game if the same thing happens in the final race this year.
We have seen in the past the lead driver in the points winning the championship by driving into his rival and getting away with it. The 2 clashes between Senna and Prost were blatent , Schuey lunge at Damon debateable? But he then did the same to JV only to come of worse.
With 50 points on offer at the last race the points leader has a huge advantage as things stand and providing Daniel has not got too close ,It makes no difference to him if he does not finish the race providing his rival DNFs as well.
In NASCAR both the driver and the team can have points docked depending on wether its a driving situation or failed car procedure.
If the above situation should sadly occur the Current FIA sanction of a grid penalty would be useless and some sort of retrospect penalty is needed!
We have seen in the past the lead driver in the points winning the championship by driving into his rival and getting away with it. The 2 clashes between Senna and Prost were blatent , Schuey lunge at Damon debateable? But he then did the same to JV only to come of worse.
With 50 points on offer at the last race the points leader has a huge advantage as things stand and providing Daniel has not got too close ,It makes no difference to him if he does not finish the race providing his rival DNFs as well.
In NASCAR both the driver and the team can have points docked depending on wether its a driving situation or failed car procedure.
If the above situation should sadly occur the Current FIA sanction of a grid penalty would be useless and some sort of retrospect penalty is needed!
PabloTheOrange said:
Dunit said:
Removing them from the race results would have no bearing and the FIA have not had the balls in the past to remove the driver from the championship.
Wasn't Schumacher disqualified from the '97 championship?Would they DQF a driver who had won the championship is debateable and after a season racing to harsh?
Better to dock him the 50 points the race win was worth.
Dunit said:
Should the FIA start docking points?
The FIA already have sufficient penalties available to them. The problem is that Jean Todt is at best weak and ineffective to use them or worse just not interested. In my view he risks becoming another Balestre. Although a little before my time Jean Marie Balestre appeared to love the trappings of being FIA president more than the responsibility of the role. Booking out presidential suites and travelling around at the FIA expense doing little more than ensuring his power base remained strong.
Jean Todt is doing the same today. Travelling to 40-50 countries a year visiting the clubs around the world to shore up his power base and seems little interested in the day to day of F1.
A slap on the wrist from Mercedes is pointless as would be a 10-place grid penalty from the FIA, at Monza.
The only really effective punishment would be a one race suspension from either Mercedes themselves, or from FIA.
I can't see either of those outcomes happening, the FIA is moribund, and AMG Mercedes have German press to keep on side. I am sure that someone like De Resta could bring them the points they would want from a one-off race.
EJ is right, LH's championship is effectively over.
The only really effective punishment would be a one race suspension from either Mercedes themselves, or from FIA.
I can't see either of those outcomes happening, the FIA is moribund, and AMG Mercedes have German press to keep on side. I am sure that someone like De Resta could bring them the points they would want from a one-off race.
EJ is right, LH's championship is effectively over.
I also think Lewis won't be world champ this season or any other season. He's like Mansell was, massively fast and a great charger, but lacks the deviousness and cunning to be a multiple world champ. Look at the previous multiple WDC's, Piquet, Prost, Senna, Schumacher,Alonso,Raikonnen and Vettel, all very cunning and manipulative. The really fast guys, Rosberg snr, Mansell, Villeneuve,Montoya,Hamilton, one WDC to their names only. I love watching Hammy race , but I keep getting the same feeling that he hasn't quite got what it takes to put together several WDC's. I really hope he proves me wrong.
matc said:
How is it over? There's only 29 points in it - Rosberg gets a DNF and that makes a 4 point difference - hardly means his championship is over?!
Hamilton just needs to get his head down, put this behind him and prove that he's a good enough driver to win a championship again!
Agree, no way over yet.. Hamilton just needs to get his head down, put this behind him and prove that he's a good enough driver to win a championship again!
Shurv said:
I also think Lewis won't be world champ this season or any other season. He's like Mansell was, massively fast and a great charger, but lacks the deviousness and cunning to be a multiple world champ. Look at the previous multiple WDC's, Piquet, Prost, Senna, Schumacher,Alonso,Raikonnen and Vettel, all very cunning and manipulative. The really fast guys, Rosberg snr, Mansell, Villeneuve,Montoya,Hamilton, one WDC to their names only. I love watching Hammy race , but I keep getting the same feeling that he hasn't quite got what it takes to put together several WDC's. I really hope he proves me wrong.
Montoya?!Are we suggesting that Nico Rosberg should lose points or be thrown out because his wing clipped Hamilton and cost both of them a potential win?
Should Lewis Hamilton lose points for hitting all and sundry in Germany?
Should Alonso lose points for clipping Vettel?
Should Grosjean lose points for clipping Bianchi?
People are making WAY too much out of this because they are teammates.
Should Lewis Hamilton lose points for hitting all and sundry in Germany?
Should Alonso lose points for clipping Vettel?
Should Grosjean lose points for clipping Bianchi?
People are making WAY too much out of this because they are teammates.
mistakenplane said:
Are we suggesting that Nico Rosberg should lose points or be thrown out because his wing clipped Hamilton and cost both of them a potential win?
Should Lewis Hamilton lose points for hitting all and sundry in Germany?
Should Alonso lose points for clipping Vettel?
Should Grosjean lose points for clipping Bianchi?
People are making WAY too much out of this because they are teammates.
I agree. Nico made a huge mistake, but it wasn't malicious, unlike Schumacher on Hill and Villeneuve. It seems very unfair when someone's mistake cost another driver and benefits the instigator, especially with the impact it has on the championship, but such is life. The could have given Nico a drive through, but with the Merc car advantage, I can't see that the net result would have been any different.Should Lewis Hamilton lose points for hitting all and sundry in Germany?
Should Alonso lose points for clipping Vettel?
Should Grosjean lose points for clipping Bianchi?
People are making WAY too much out of this because they are teammates.
Agent Orange said:
The FIA already have sufficient penalties available to them. The problem is that Jean Todt is at best weak and ineffective to use them or worse just not interested.
In my view he risks becoming another Balestre. Although a little before my time Jean Marie Balestre appeared to love the trappings of being FIA president more than the responsibility of the role. Booking out presidential suites and travelling around at the FIA expense doing little more than ensuring his power base remained strong.
Jean Todt is doing the same today. Travelling to 40-50 countries a year visiting the clubs around the world to shore up his power base and seems little interested in the day to day of F1.
Maybe Todt cares more about other FIA championships.In my view he risks becoming another Balestre. Although a little before my time Jean Marie Balestre appeared to love the trappings of being FIA president more than the responsibility of the role. Booking out presidential suites and travelling around at the FIA expense doing little more than ensuring his power base remained strong.
Jean Todt is doing the same today. Travelling to 40-50 countries a year visiting the clubs around the world to shore up his power base and seems little interested in the day to day of F1.
mistakenplane said:
Are we suggesting that Nico Rosberg should lose points or be thrown out because his wing clipped Hamilton and cost both of them a potential win?
Should Lewis Hamilton lose points for hitting all and sundry in Germany?
Should Alonso lose points for clipping Vettel?
Should Grosjean lose points for clipping Bianchi?
People are making WAY too much out of this because they are teammates.
Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes to all five of your points.Should Lewis Hamilton lose points for hitting all and sundry in Germany?
Should Alonso lose points for clipping Vettel?
Should Grosjean lose points for clipping Bianchi?
People are making WAY too much out of this because they are teammates.
mistakenplane said:
Are we suggesting that Nico Rosberg should lose points or be thrown out because his wing clipped Hamilton and cost both of them a potential win?
Yes, pretty much. He has apparently admitted to putting his car somewhere it shouldn't really be (outside of the corner, and with no hope of passing without going off track) to see whether Hamilton would move off line to let him through. Of course he wasn't going to let Rosberg through - they're racing for the championship. In that position Rosberg should have braked or got out of the way of Hamilton, who had right of way. It might not have been malicious, but it was certainly reckless. That has no place on a racetrack at all.
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