Jenson Button's future...?
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Fact is both Hamilton and Alonso have had decent kit for many years and between them, only delivered three WDCs. Button had decent kit for half a season and delivered!
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If JB was in a Mercedes this year i wouldnt be suprised if he was leading the WDC by a big margin.
Edited by klunkT5 on Friday 29th August 15:37
Edited by klunkT5 on Friday 29th August 15:37
F1GTRUeno said:
Won't matter who they get in if they don't build a car that's even remotely capable.
They certainly don't seem able to at the minute either.
These things are always cyclical and it takes time to come back, as Ferrari are also findingThey certainly don't seem able to at the minute either.
McLaren lost a lot of good people and are only now bringing in decent replacements.
Last year's car was a shocker and this years is only mildly better. The Honda engine is a gamble but, like Ferrari, you can't see them being down for long.
Saying that, I'd have said the same about Williams circa 2007-ish and look at the nightmare years they've had.
Less money available in Grove though.....
klunkT5 said:
Edited by klunkT5 on Friday 29th August 15:37
Edited by klunkT5 on Friday 29th August 15:37
All IMO of course, and not something we'll ever really know.
RenOHH said:
klunkT5 said:
If JB was in a Mercedes this year i wouldnt be suprised if he was leading the WDC by a big margin.
Not if it was Hamilton's car...If it was Rosberg's car then perhaps, but then who would be JB's team mate in this hypothetical situation?
So obviously you are not one in the camp who think that Hamilton is harder on his cars, engines, brakes and transmissions etc than other drivers. Why has his team mate at least one more engine to use? Bad luck... coincidence?
To be faster, surely you must be more demanding on the same equipment.... for sure..
MGJohn said:
I agree, Button would be in there big time despite the fact that his younger team mate as widely predicted here would wipe the floor with him whilst at McLaren. Boy did that come to pass.
So obviously you are not one in the camp who think that Hamilton is harder on his cars, engines, brakes and transmissions etc than other drivers. Why has his team mate at least one more engine to use? Bad luck... coincidence?
To be faster, surely you must be more demanding on the same equipment.... for sure..
Lewis has less engines because he had a fire caused by a fuel leak, not sure how being hard on your equipment could have that result, care to explain?So obviously you are not one in the camp who think that Hamilton is harder on his cars, engines, brakes and transmissions etc than other drivers. Why has his team mate at least one more engine to use? Bad luck... coincidence?
To be faster, surely you must be more demanding on the same equipment.... for sure..
marshall100 said:
Is it possible that him knowing the guys in the Honda factory and his status in Japan could see him get at least another year at McLaren?
I think it should happen, and would be a huge benefit to both parties.
I have to agree with this, the power of Honda/Jenson's affinity for Japan should not be overlookedI think it should happen, and would be a huge benefit to both parties.
HDM said:
I have to agree with this, the power of Honda/Jenson's affinity for Japan should not be overlooked
Having worked for Japanese companies, anyone who thinks Honda will stick with Button for sentimental reasons needs to think again. They support their own, but anyone not Japanese either performs or is cut out ruthlessly. wevster said:
MGJohn said:
I agree, Button would be in there big time despite the fact that his younger team mate as widely predicted here would wipe the floor with him whilst at McLaren. Boy did that come to pass.
So obviously you are not one in the camp who think that Hamilton is harder on his cars, engines, brakes and transmissions etc than other drivers. Why has his team mate at least one more engine to use? Bad luck... coincidence?
To be faster, surely you must be more demanding on the same equipment.... for sure..
Lewis has less engines because he had a fire caused by a fuel leak, not sure how being hard on your equipment could have that result, care to explain?So obviously you are not one in the camp who think that Hamilton is harder on his cars, engines, brakes and transmissions etc than other drivers. Why has his team mate at least one more engine to use? Bad luck... coincidence?
To be faster, surely you must be more demanding on the same equipment.... for sure..
2nd thoughts. Was that particular engine totaled?
Edited by MGJohn on Friday 29th August 20:34
DanielSan said:
One thing I find strange reading this thread is how underrated JB is with a lot if people, he's a WDC which should be proof enough of his skill. But the fact he did more than match Hamilton, points wise beating him, over 3 seasons surely says how good he really is? Yet Lewis is given nigh on godly status by most while Jenson is put down. Odd.
Lies and God damn statistics.Points tally doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.
2012 is a good example:
Spain - pole lap; fuel error and sent to back of the grid but LH still beats JB in race.
Canada - LH wins whilst JB moans about tyre temps
Singapore - DNF; LH was ahead of JB at the time
Abu Dhabi - DNF; LH was ahead of JB at the time
Hamilton pressed the self destruct button in 2011. Had his been in the right place the stats would back up the view LH as the better driver.
tenpenceshort said:
Having worked for Japanese companies, anyone who thinks Honda will stick with Button for sentimental reasons needs to think again. They support their own, but anyone not Japanese either performs or is cut out ruthlessly.
And who on earth in Japan is a better driver than Jenson?tenpenceshort said:
Having worked for Japanese companies, anyone who thinks Honda will stick with Button for sentimental reasons needs to think again. They support their own, but anyone not Japanese either performs or is cut out ruthlessly.
Depends if they rate him or not. Maybe times have changed but Piquet took Honda with him to Lotus - race winners but were struggling to mount a serious WDC challenge.marshall100 said:
The bit about supporting their own. He was highly regarded when the team were sold up the river, I'd like to think that it counts for something.
That's the point- Button isn't one of their own (as in he's not Japanese). Any thought that Honda are all dough eyed thinking of a link up with Button is misconceived. They are bankrolling McLaren and we all know who McLaren are trying to sign. And it isn't Button. 
tenpenceshort said:
HDM said:
I have to agree with this, the power of Honda/Jenson's affinity for Japan should not be overlooked
Having worked for Japanese companies, anyone who thinks Honda will stick with Button for sentimental reasons needs to think again. They support their own, but anyone not Japanese either performs or is cut out ruthlessly. Honda have nothing but the highest possible regard for Jenson, in fact they were more than happy when he won the WDC
tenpenceshort said:
They are bankrolling McLaren and we all know who McLaren are trying to sign. And it isn't Button.
Trying to sign? Try posturing.If McLaren think the answer to all their problems is an expensive change of driver line up then things there are even worse than than I had thought.
I would love to see Alonso the Great return to McLaren.
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