Nico's punishment.
Discussion
StottyEvo said:
That theory is unfounded and seems very far fetched.
I agree, there could be nothing worse for Mercedes from an international marketing point of view than be seen to be favouring their homeboy.I would imagine the Lewis is more popular world wide - dynamic driving style, emotional, controversial. Compare Nico: safe pair of hands.
longshot said:
Racing is one thing and business is another.
MB want a German (well, sort of. I think he visited Germany once) driver winning in a German car and the team will have been reminded of that and told to toe the line.
It makes no sense that they would hire one of the highest profile and highest paid drivers on the grid and then disadvantage him to favour the cheaper German driver they already had on their books. While there may be German individuals on the Daimler-Benz board who would be happy for a German driver to be World Champion in one of their cars, through an understandable sense of individual patriotism, ultimately all DB wants is for Mercedes to be World Champions by whatever means, whether that means hiring a Johnny Foreigner to do the job or not. It does the company and the brand no favours if they were to be seen as partisan in any way.MB want a German (well, sort of. I think he visited Germany once) driver winning in a German car and the team will have been reminded of that and told to toe the line.
thegreenhell said:
longshot said:
Racing is one thing and business is another.
MB want a German (well, sort of. I think he visited Germany once) driver winning in a German car and the team will have been reminded of that and told to toe the line.
It makes no sense that they would hire one of the highest profile and highest paid drivers on the grid and then disadvantage him to favour the cheaper German driver they already had on their books. While there may be German individuals on the Daimler-Benz board who would be happy for a German driver to be World Champion in one of their cars, through an understandable sense of individual patriotism, ultimately all DB wants is for Mercedes to be World Champions by whatever means, whether that means hiring a Johnny Foreigner to do the job or not. It does the company and the brand no favours if they were to be seen as partisan in any way.MB want a German (well, sort of. I think he visited Germany once) driver winning in a German car and the team will have been reminded of that and told to toe the line.
That said mercedes/german engineering will be seen triumphant regardless of the pilot, unless some twonk screws it up and leaves a bad taste.
thegreenhell said:
longshot said:
Racing is one thing and business is another.
MB want a German (well, sort of. I think he visited Germany once) driver winning in a German car and the team will have been reminded of that and told to toe the line.
It makes no sense that they would hire one of the highest profile and highest paid drivers on the grid and then disadvantage him to favour the cheaper German driver they already had on their books. While there may be German individuals on the Daimler-Benz board who would be happy for a German driver to be World Champion in one of their cars, through an understandable sense of individual patriotism, ultimately all DB wants is for Mercedes to be World Champions by whatever means, whether that means hiring a Johnny Foreigner to do the job or not. It does the company and the brand no favours if they were to be seen as partisan in any way.MB want a German (well, sort of. I think he visited Germany once) driver winning in a German car and the team will have been reminded of that and told to toe the line.
If they want more of a chance of a German in a German car then they should have hired someone like the Hulkenberg...
So why haven't they got a German executive team and a German manufacturing facility with German engineers? Because they wouldn't be in the position they are in now...
JonRB said:
MGJohn said:
BTW, 1:1 is even money, not odds-on. Obviously your understanding is on a superior plane to mine... 
I have no understanding, or interest, in betting. Which is why I have little interest in the majority of what you post. hairyben said:
I think if you'd told them this years car would be all it is they'd not have hired lewis and have kept a couple of ze germans, the teams always had a bit of a patrotic pride-of-germany tint to the way it's run.
That said mercedes/german engineering will be seen triumphant regardless of the pilot, unless some twonk screws it up and leaves a bad taste.
You mean ze Germans, like the ones based in Brackley (not in Germany)? Who are mostly English? Who make the chassis and aero and are Mercedes GP? Or do you mean AMG who make the engines? Based down the road from Brackley (still not in Germany) staffed by English people? That said mercedes/german engineering will be seen triumphant regardless of the pilot, unless some twonk screws it up and leaves a bad taste.
The whole Team Germany thing just doesn't stack up at all... Nor does paying someone €22 million a year and hobbling them.
Even if the team was based in Germany and largely staffed by Germans I don't think it would stack up as an argument. You just have to look at the chosen drivers the last time Mercedes fielded a works F1 team, in the 1950s when it was very much German-based. The lead drivers were Argentinian and British. They also had a British driver, who won the 1938 German GP ahead of all the German team drivers, in the Nazi-funded 1930s era of German domination.
thegreenhell said:
Even if the team was based in Germany and largely staffed by Germans I don't think it would stack up as an argument. You just have to look at the chosen drivers the last time Mercedes fielded a works F1 team, in the 1950s when it was very much German-based. The lead drivers were Argentinian and British. They also had a British driver, who won the 1938 German GP ahead of all the German team drivers, in the Nazi-funded 1930s era of German domination.
How dare you march into this thread bandying your facts around.Only wild speculation, half-baked conspiracy theories and a dash of persecution complex is allowed in these parts.
Sort it out there's a good chap.
RemarkLima said:
hairyben said:
I think if you'd told them this years car would be all it is they'd not have hired lewis and have kept a couple of ze germans, the teams always had a bit of a patrotic pride-of-germany tint to the way it's run.
That said mercedes/german engineering will be seen triumphant regardless of the pilot, unless some twonk screws it up and leaves a bad taste.
You mean ze Germans, like the ones based in Brackley (not in Germany)? Who are mostly English? Who make the chassis and aero and are Mercedes GP? Or do you mean AMG who make the engines? Based down the road from Brackley (still not in Germany) staffed by English people? That said mercedes/german engineering will be seen triumphant regardless of the pilot, unless some twonk screws it up and leaves a bad taste.
The whole Team Germany thing just doesn't stack up at all... Nor does paying someone €22 million a year and hobbling them.
MGJohn said:
Little interest you say. Then why waste your time and mine mentioning it to me in the first instance? I shall file your future posts in the bovine excrement folder.
Well, to be perfectly honest with you, my original post was made under the influence of alcohol and the quip about betting would probably have been better not made.It did appear from the post it was replying to that you appeared to be unaware that Sniff Petrol was satirical, though.
Edited by JonRB on Saturday 30th August 20:16
hairyben said:
I said nothing about where the car was designed and built as it's irrelevant; my point was about the aims and desires of particular corporation.
Mercedes GP is Brawn GP is BAR Honda... Etc... Daimler Benz has fronted the cash, but the team is by and large British, and a British enterprise.
I'd also suggest that Lewis Hamilton sells a hell of a lot more cars for ze Germans worldwide than Rosberg. He's much more in the media, and has a much bigger profile outside of Europe...
I've said before, anyone with a shread of professional dignity would understand that you don't hobble your own business (winning F1 races in this case), just to prove a point.
JonRB said:
MGJohn said:
Little interest you say. Then why waste your time and mine mentioning it to me in the first instance? I shall file your future posts in the bovine excrement folder.
Well, to be perfectly honest with you, my original post was made under the influence of alcohol and the quip about betting would probably have been better not made.It did appear from the post it was replying to that you appeared to be unaware that Sniff Petrol was satirical, though.
Have been a avid watcher of things SP since the year dot. I clearly remember their stance 'improving' the MG-Rover advertisements when the MG Zed Sporting Saloon cars first appeared a dozen or so years ago. I enjoy a good giggle now and again. Now I'm off to put the kettle on. Fancy a nice cuppa. Rarely touch alcohol as my jobs over the past fifty odd years meant a driving licence was essential. Habit of a lifetime. No licence, no job.
sideways man said:
RemarkLima said:
Mercedes GP is Brawn GP is BAR Honda... Etc... .
To give our younger readers some perspective; Ken Tyrrell founded the team,to give Sir Jackie Stewart a car able to run in F1, in 1968,his first year in the catagory. The team has come a long way since those days.To quote Wiki ('cos I'm lazy) "The team experienced its greatest success in the early 1970s, when it won three Drivers' Championships and one Constructors' Championship with Jackie Stewart."
TVR1 said:
I understand that there is a name change afoot.
Louis Von Hammelstein.
Worked for The Windsors.
So by that reasoning, that the Windsors are still fundamentally German, you agree that Mercedes GP are still fundamentally British. Louis Von Hammelstein.
Worked for The Windsors.
That was your point correct?
ETA: just got this gag, sorry! *sound of a penny dropping a long way*
Edited by RemarkLima on Sunday 31st August 20:08
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